Archive for the ‘1998’ Category

Bath Iron Works

Sunday, January 18th, 2009

In the latest issue (March 1998 cover date) of WORLD WAR II magazine,

(see:

although the highlights of this issue are not yet posted as I type, the
Feb 98 issue being there instead) there is an article on the 12 April
1945 ordeal of USS LAFFEY (DD724) which on radar picket station off
Okinawas was attacked by *22* japanese aircraft, shooting down 9, being
hit by *6* Kamikaze attackers and in addition four bombs – and
surviving.

The USS LAFFEY is preserved at Patriot’s Point, Charleston South
Carolina; their URL is:

http://www.state.sc.us/patpt/

An interesting sidebar to this article is on the Bath Iron Works, in
Bath, Maine, on the Kenenebec River, some 12 miles from the sea. The
interesting thing about the sidebar is its end, which says that….
“….from Pearl Harbor to the war’s end, 82 destroyers were built
and delivered – about 25 percent of all destroyers built for the Navy
during the war. During the same period, Japanes shipyards built only
63 destroyers. The Bath Iron Works alone outproduced the Japanese
empire.”

I had never seen it put quite that way….an interesting commentary on
production capabilities.

By the way, uss-salem.org has a complete lsit of ships built by Bath,
at this URL:

http://www.uss-salem.org/navhist/other/biw.html

The cover illustration on this issue of WORLD WAR II is USAAF B-24’s at
low level exiting the vicinity of Ploesti.

-Brooks

CSS Huntsville and the CSS Tuscaloosa

Sunday, January 18th, 2009

Last weekend, I came across a used copy of William Fowler’s _Under Two
Flags: The American Navy In the Civil War_ (New York: Avon Books,
1990. ISBN 0-380-71551-1). In the chapter dealing with the Battle of
Mobile Bay, Fowler mentions two additional Confederate ironclads besides
the CSS Tennessee. Fowler indicates that these two ships were both
launched on February 7, 1863 and that their top speed was no better
than three knots in a calm sea. Can anyone provide me with technical
data on the CSS Huntsville and the CSS Tuscaloosa? In particular, I
would like to know armament, general dimensions, and armor thickness.
Also, were these two ships sisters? Thanks in advance, Ed.

Edward Wittenberg
ewitten507@aol.com

p.s. Can anyone on the list identify the civil aircraft designated HS 125.
I recently ran across a reference to this aircraft in conjunction with
some reading I was doing on the Falklands War. In conjunction with
Learjets commandeered by the Argentine Air Force, these aircraft
operated as part of the Fenix Escuadron performing reconnaissance,
decoy, and command&control functions. Thanks.

BritishPacific Fleet 1945 – pennants

Sunday, January 18th, 2009

As a supplement to the information about the British Pacific Fleet in
1945, the newly revised carriers list at

http://www.uss-salem.org/

has information agbout the re-designations of British Escort carriers.
Several got ‘D” pennant/pendants, a few got “A” pendants for Pacific
service. This is poorly documented and some of the “A’s” identities are
not known to us – see the link to “An aircraft carrier myster” on the
World Aircraft Carriers main page.

In addition, there is a Mystery Photo #123 published in WARSHIP
INTERNATIONAL No 2 1996. It shows ex-Commmonwealth “River” Class
friagtes wearing an undocumented “B” pennnant number, after return to
US, with weapons stripped. In response to this mystery photo, there is
the following letter (extracted) in WI #1, 1997:

“About July 45, ships attached to the British Pacific Fleet were given
B numbers….the numbers below, for Australian “Bathurst” class escorts,
are taken from Campbell’s NOTABLE SERVICE TO THE EMPIRE published by
Naval Historical Society of Australia Inc. 1995, adn give an example of
how these were assigned.

Ship Name (Old) pennant (New) Pennant
BALLARAT J184 B236
BENDIGO J187 B237
BURNIE J198 B238
CAIRNS J183 B239
CESSNOCK J175 B240
GAWLER J188 B241
GERALDTON J178 B242
GOULBURN J167 B243
IPSWICH J186 B244
KALGOOLIE J192 B245
LAUNCESTON J179 B246
LISMORE J145 B247
MARYBOROUGH J195 B248
PIRIE J189 B249
TAMWORTH J181 B250
TOOWOOMBA J157 B251
WHYALLA J153 B252
WOLLONGONG J172 B253

“These vessels formed the 21st and 22nd minesweeping flotillas from
November 1944 to November 1945.
“Some of these ships occasionally had other pennant numbers; in a VJ
Day photo taken at Manus Island, TAMWORTH is wearing A124, although
SbLt. Campbell cannot recall this event.
” A State of the Fleet dated 26 january 1945 lists the following
British (not AUstralian ) frigates on strength. Note that the
Australian BURNIE and GAWLER were omitted from this list.
Ship name Class
CRANE BLACK SWAN
WHIMBREL BLACK SWAN
PARRETT RIVER
REDPOLE BLACK SWAN
BARLE RIVER
PHEASANT BLACK SWAN
HELFORD RIVER

“either BARLE (K289) ex-USN returned 27 Feb 46) or PARRETT (K304)
(ex-USN returned 5 Feb 46) is probably the mystery ship.”

The Campbell book above is Hugh Campbell, with the title/date cited.

The letter is signed A.J. Lee, Tasmania, Australia (no town given)

This alphabetical assignment of new pennant numbers may provide a clue
into British CVE mystery designations as well.

-Brooks

Mahan

Sunday, January 18th, 2009

I’ve got the information somewhere, but I’ve forgotten how to subscribe to
mahan. Could someone save me a battle with Eudora’s search engine and send
the info to Mr. Beard. Aint technology grand?

>Eric, I do not know if it was deliberate, but could you post the
>listserv address for Mahan to the H-War list or at least send it to
>me? I would like to sub it.
>
>Jonathan
>Jonathan D. Beard
>Science Writer-Photo Researcher
>938 N. Alameda, Las Cruces, NM 88005-2125
>jbeard@nasw.org voice 505-647-0850
>
>
>
Eric Bergerud, 531 Kains Ave, Albany CA 94706, 510-525-0930

Mahan

Sunday, January 18th, 2009

Thanks for the info, I have just succeeded in subbing Mahan. But
when I found Microworks web page earlier today, I could not get most
of the clickables to work–got error messages on lists and another of
them….

But I will now just wait for my ships to come in….

Jonathan
Jonathan D. Beard
Science Writer-Photo Researcher
938 N. Alameda, Las Cruces, NM 88005-2125
jbeard@nasw.org voice 505-647-0850

The NVR

Sunday, January 18th, 2009

Current inventory of the U.S. Navy can be found at:

Timothy L. Francis
Historian
Naval Historical Center
email address: Francis.Timothy@nhc.navy.mil
voice: (202) 433-6802

The above remarks are my opinions, not those of the U.S. Navy or the
Department of Defense

Naval Vessel Register online

Sunday, January 18th, 2009

Fellow Naval History enthusiasts:

This information was forwarded to me and likely is of interest to
the group:

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NAVAL VESSEL REGISTER IS NOW ONLINE

http://www.nvr.navy.mil

The Naval Vessel Register (NVR) is the official inventory of ships and
service craft in the custody of, or titled by, the US Navy. Referred to
by Congress in the statutes of the United States Code, Title 10,
Sections 7304-7308, the NVR is maintained as directed by US Navy
Regulations, Article 0406, of 14 SEP 1990. Vessels are listed in the
NVR when the classification and hull number(s) are assigned to ships and
service craft authorized to be built by the President, or when CNO
requests instatement or reinstatement of vessels as approved by SECNAV.
Once listed, the ship or service craft remains in the NVR throughout its
life as a Navy asset, and afterwards its final disposition is recorded.

The NVR has been maintained and published by NAVSHIPSO since 1962. The
NVR now exists as an electronic document only. It is maintained and
updated weekly. Over 6,500 separate record transactions are processed
annually with each being supported by official documentation. The NVR
includes a current list of ships and service craft on hand, under
construction, converted, loaned/leased and those assigned to the
Military Sealift Command. Ship class, fleet assignment, name, age,
homeport, planning yard, custodian, hull and machinery characteristics,
builder, key construction dates, battle forces, local defense and
miscellaneous support forces, and status conditions are some of the data
elements provided.

This information resides on a DoD interest computer. Important
conditions, restrictions, and disclaimers apply.

NAVSHIPSO
Norfolk Naval Shipyard Det Phila
NAVSEA Shipbuilding Support Office
3751 Island Ave
Phila, PA 19153-3297
215-365-5767 / DSN 443-1991
webMASTER
NSLC PACIFIC
Naval Sea Logistics Center Det Pacific
PO Box 1307
Benicia, CA 94510-4037
510-246-5940 / DSN 350-5940

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carrier upsweep in bow

Sunday, January 18th, 2009

Steve Alvin wrote:

> Interestingly, the ski jump wasn’t knew with the Harrier.
>

Doesn’t this idiot have a spell check? It is `new’, not knew!

>
>
> —
>
> Steve Alvin
> Dept. of Social Sciences
> Illinois Valley Community College
>
> salvin@ocslink.com
>
> “I have snatched my share of joys from the grudging hand of fate
> as I have jogged along, but never has life held for me anything
> quite so entrancing as baseball.”–Clarence Darrow

Steve Alvin
Dept. of Social Sciences
Illinois Valley Community College

salvin@ocslink.com

“I have snatched my share of joys from the grudging hand of fate
as I have jogged along, but never has life held for me anything
quite so entrancing as baseball.”–Clarence Darrow

The Jellicoe Report on Imperial Naval Defence (fwd)

Sunday, January 18th, 2009

FYI. Note the reference to the USA.

There has been some discussion lately of the Jellicoe Mission and its
implications on the development of the RCN (or perhaps more precisely, the
lack thereof), following the first war. In light of this, I thought some
fellow listers might be interested in having the following 2 publications
brought to their notice. I received copies of both relatively easily a few
years ago, (see below).

1. Report of Admiral of the Fleet, Viscount Jellicoe of Scapa on his Naval
Mission to the Dominion of Canada, Nov-Dec 1919, 44pp, (legal size ).

Chapter Headings: 1) Naval Requirements of Canada, 6pp; 2) Administration,
8pp; 3) Personnel, 7 pp; 4) Discipline, 7pp. (plus an 11-page introduction
by the man Himself).

2. William Tatley, “The Jellicoe Mission to Canada: Canada and Imperial
Naval Defence, 1919-23”, MA thesis, University of Guelph, Ontario, April
1974, 206 pp.

The abstract:

“The Jellicoe mission to Canada from November 1919 to January 1920 was the
first and most impressive post-1918 British initiative to revive pre-1914
plans for a unified imperial naval force. The admiral’s visit was
representative therefore of many political and military trends in
Anglo-Canadian relations, for Britain had long sought dominion involvement
in economic, constitutional, and defence federation schemes.

The Admiralty and Jellicoe were agreed on the need for dominion naval
support to maintain the safety of the Empire with the Royal Navy, against
the USA, Japan, and (mischievous) talk of disarmament. Canada, as Jellicoe
soon discovered, seemed surer of her economic and geographic security than
did Britain, and chose to abstain from an imperial naval commitment. The
dominion had internal problems which precluded such involvement. In
addition, the country was unwilling to subordinate itself entirely to
British leadership, preferring to develop a new international personality.

Jellicoe did leave a blueprint for the development of a distinctive Canadian
navy behind him, although economic stringency and public opinion in Canada
meant the shelving of such plans. The navy was reduced to reserve status
and removed from the political arena it had occupied since 1910. Slow
national growth was then possible. Imperial naval defence remained a
British responsibility and Jellicoe’s report became a forgotten symbol of a
British naval initiative.”

TABLE OF CONTENTS:

1. Canada & the Concept of Imperial Naval Defence: 1867-1918 (28pp)
2. The Admiral and the Mission, (28pp)
3. A Permanent Policy Postponed, (27pp)
4. Broader Considerations: Imperial Defence & the Imperial Conference 1921,
(29pp)
5. The decision to Disarm, (30pp)
6. Defence by Cooperation: Canadian Naval Defence 1923 (26pp)
7. Conclusion: The Willingness and the Need to Arm, (7pp)

Appendices:

George Foster’s Resolution 1909
The Laurier Resolution, 1909
Occasional Papers
Ministers of Marine and Fisheries and of the Naval Service
Suggested Fleets for Canadian Naval Defence
Jellicoe’s Naval Plans

As mentioned, I easily received the first on inter-library loan. The copy I
received came from the National Defence Headquarters Library in Ottawa,
(which I now think is under the tutelage of the Director of History/NDHQ or
Director of Military Heritage/NDHQ, (I forget what they’re calling it this
month).

I obtained the second one for a relative pittance, from the National Library
of Canada, (in Ottawa, of course) on three microfiches. By the way, the
National Library’s collection of theses is a wonderful — but strangely
often overlooked — source of intell, since many of the works, (each one of
which often represents years of research), never see the light of day after
the author’s formal schooling has been completed. Moreover, I think by “law”
(or at least some sort of universally accepted tradition) a copy of all
theses written in Canada are sent there, once approved by the university
granting the degree. I therefore highly recommend it as a research tool.
Too bad they don’t put them out on CD-ROM instead of bloody microfiche!!
(Oops..let’s not start this one again!)

Cheers,
Glen

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Glen “I-was-a-teenage-fogey” Hodgins

A Medal Collector and Commonwealth/Empire Naval Historian
temporarily imprisoned at:

Her Canadian Majesty’s C/O Po Box 500 (CLMBO)
High Commission for Sri Lanka Station A
6 Gregory’s Road OTTAWA, Ontario, K1N 8T7
(PO Box 1006) Dominion of CANADA
Cinnamon Gardens
Colombo 7, Sri Lanka [still Canada’s OFFICIAL title!]

Fax, (from overseas): 94-1-687-815

CPO Reading List

Sunday, January 18th, 2009

I just recently purchased *The Lost Ships of Guadalcanal* by Bob Ballard.
Got it from Edward R. Hamilton Booksellers for $7.95!!

Write to them at Falls Village CT, 06031-5000 (that’s the only address, no
street or box no.) and ask for item # 112364. They don’t take credit cards,
send a check for $10.95 (includes postage).

This is the original hard-bound version, and it is great!

Tom

Tom Robison
Ossian, Indiana
tcrobi@adamswells.com
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