From Wed Dec 10 11:35:43 1997
>Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:35:10 -0800 (PST)
>From: Tracy Johnson
>To: consim-l@net.uni-c.dk
>cc: MAHAN-L
>Subject: Re: Modern carrier conversion: RIMPAC
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>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
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>
>On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Eric Wignall wrote:
>
> > Now, I’m the last person on this list to follow naval warfare closely
> > (what with so few ships having treads attached to them) but I am
> > curious… Are there ships available that can be easily/quickly
> > converted to carrier use (even in a limited sense)? There were quite a
> > few of these conversions in the 30s and 40s as I recall. Could modern
> > supertankers or container ships be used as carriers?
>
>Well the helicopter carrying Amphibious “Flat Top” ships could do well in
>a pinch. There are almost as many of those as there CVs (I think.) Seems
>they may need catapults installed to do what you’re thinking. There is
>probably a reason why they don’t have them installed, such as: “If there
>are catapults on these things Congress will have to treat them as a
>regular carrier and it will be more difficult to have them approved.” So
>if it happens at all, it would have to be an emergency wartime
>modification.
>
>(Someone correct me if Amphibs have catapults. I’m only assuming they
>don’t.)
>
>cc: Mahan List
>
>Tracy Johnson
>Minister of Propaganda, Justin Thyme Productions
>tjohnson@adnetsol.com
>”Trust No One”
>”Semper Pollus”
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From Wed Dec 10 10:52:53 1997
>Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:51:45 -0800 (PST)
>From: Tracy Johnson
>To: consim-l@net.uni-c.dk
>cc: MAHAN-L
>Subject: Re: RIMPAC
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
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>
>
> > >> the CV Independence was “sunk,” by a Chilean sub, >
>This brings into remembrance the old wargame story about how U.S.
>Navy officials would “not allow” carriers to get sunk in wargames.
>Although I’m not sure whether this applied to paper exercises only or did
>it also include fleet maneuvers?
>
>Tracy Johnson
>Computer Associates International Inc.
>Manufacturing Knowledge (MK) Group
>- – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
>Minister of Propaganda, Justin Thyme Productions
>tjohnson@adnetsol.com
>”Trust No One”
>”Semper Pollus”
> ADC-2239-5531

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From Wed Dec 10 10:53:19 1997
>Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:51:33 -0800
>From: Mike Potter
>Organization: Artecon, Inc.
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I)
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>Subject: Another naval trivia quiz
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>
>Until Friday 12/12 midnight GMT (Friday 4pm PST) please post guesses/
>answers to potter4@worldnet.att.net or mike.potter@artecon.com. After
>that post to potter4@worldnet.att.net or to the Mahan list.
>
>You must answer at least 2 correctly to earn a naval historian salute:
>
>1. Identify the first surface warship to be sunk in combat from damage
>inflicted by hostile air attack.
>
>2. Identify the first surface warship to be sunk in a naval action in
>which the victor used aircraft for gunfire spotting.
>
>3. Before they were sunk, what did the victim warships from these
>actions have in common?
>
>”Surface warship” means something larger than a coastal patrol boat and
>other than a submarine.
>
>–

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From Mon Dec 08 13:27:20 1997
>From: USNIWest
>Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:14:48 EST
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>Subject: LaCroix IJN cruiser book–USNI response
>Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
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>
>
>I’ve seen the recent postings about LaCroix’s IJN book….it IS in at USNI and
>the list price is $75.00 ISBN O-3113. (USNI members receive a 20% discount).
>For those interested they can feel free to contact me directly…..I’m always
>happy to help on any USNI issues.
>
>Recently Mr. Rowlett Posted Mr. Parshall’s comments about the book…I’m most
>interested in the following portion of it…..
>
> > In my hot little hands. Some of you had expressed doubts about the
> > (ahem) veracity of conversations held with USNI customer service
> > personnel — Oh Ye of Little Faith (or many prior bad experiences)!
>
>I’d be interested in seeing what Mr. Parshall had to say about USNI’s (East
>Coast) customer service. I do not want to have anyone thinking we are all
>bad…..:-> I have sent information to several members of this list and have
>been the person to handle their book orders, photo orders, and research
>requests several times. iIm still plugging away here on the West Coast and
>will be happy to be a go between for anyone who doesn’t like dealing with the
>customer service in Annapolis!
>
>Mary Beth Kiss
>
>******************************************************************************
>****************
>Mary Beth Straight Kiss
>U.S. Naval Institute Representative
>3480 Old Cobble Ct. ****Note new street number!
>San Diego, CA 92111
>USNIWest@aol.com or (619) 874-8286
>
>**When Ordering USNI books, photographs, certificates, or memberships, please
>provide the code MK7 on the order form or to the customer service
>representative.
>******************************************************************************
>****************
>
>

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From Mon Dec 08 12:09:44 1997
>Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 11:07:19 -0800
>From: Mike Potter
>Organization: Artecon, Inc.
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I)
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>Subject: Re: NATO pennants
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>
>Brooks,
>
> > Does anybody have the exact date the Brits changed pennants? …
> > Similarly, does anyone have a table of the effective dates of various
> > other NATO members adopting the system?
>
>Researchers who might know this include Leo Marriott, who has written
>several books about postwar RN destroyers, and Joel Sokolsky, who has
>written articles and a book about the naval apsects of NATO.
>
>I think you could contact Leo Marriott through Ian Allen publishers in
>London and Joel Sokolsky through the US Naval War College Press.
>
>–
>Michael C. Potter, Mgr, TelCo/Govt Programs mike.potter@artecon.com
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From Sun Dec 07 19:03:01 1997
>X-Sender: root@nymphe.m.ISAR.de
>Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 03:03:00 +0100
>From: “A.vMach”
>Organization: AvMach Ingenieurbuero
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; IRIX64 6.2 IP28)
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>Subject: Re: LaCroix and Belgian Shiplover
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
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>
>I have the complete set of the TBS, mainly in copy form, but very good
>ones. I could change it for any other data.
>
>
>Andreas von Mach
>Cyclostrasse 74a
>D-85229 Markt Indersdorf
>Germany
>
>a.vmach@vmach.m.isar.de

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From Sun Dec 07 17:44:10 1997
>X-Sender: crivera@pop.service.ohio-state.edu
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>Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 19:41:40
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>From: “Carlos R. Rivera”
>Subject: Re: LaCroix and Belgian Shiplover
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>
>Hi Brooks,
> >
> >If anyone doesn’t know about this, LaCroix wrote many years of articles
> >in THE BELGIAN SHIPLOVER
> >* I am particularly interested in finishing the day-to-day chronology of
> >naval operations in the Russo-Japanese war that appear over several
> >issues).
>
>
>I used the series while researching my dissertation, and found them only
>available from Bowling Green University’s Great Lake Research Center, which
>has now moved to the BG campus itself.
>
>I managed to get a copy of many of the LaCroix articles, including the RJ
>war era. By the way, the copies I did not use, I passed on to Fred
>Milford, here in Columbus, and one of the two individuals that Peattie and
>Evans dedicated Kaigun to.
>
>If you want I can check the detail of the copies I have and see if they
>differ in any great detail from the recently published two volume RJ war
>edited by Corbett.
>
>I am greatly disgusted by the NIP slow motion on the Peattie-Evans book,
>even more so by the fact that my manuscript has been working its way
>through the press folks off and on since March of last year. Oh well.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Carlos

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From Sat Dec 06 22:47:38 1997
>Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 23:48:37 -0800
>From: Steve Alvin
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win16; U)
>To: Marine History Information Exchange Group ,
> mahan
>Subject: Re: Camouflage — Bismarck spotting
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>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
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>
>John Snyder wrote:
>
> > Frank Pierce Young wrote:
> > >>>Wellings? Everything I have read or seen on that matter gives that
> > Bismarck-
> > spotting USN PBY pilot as an Ensign named Smith, which was repeated a
> > few
> > months ago on an hour-long PBS-TV documentary, now available on VCR
> > tape.
> > Were
> > there other USN fliers out there as well?>>>
>
>The Catalina Mk I of 209 squadron that spotted the _Bismarck_ was flown
>by RAF Flight Officer Dennis Briggs and the co-pilot was LT(JG) Leonard
>B. Smith, USN.
>
> > John Snyder
> > John_Snyder@bbs.macnexus.org
>
>
>
>–
>
>Steve Alvin
>Dept. of Social Sciences
>Illinois Valley Community College

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From Sun Dec 07 00:08:33 1997
>Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 02:07:53 -0500
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
>Organization: None whatsoever
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>Subject: Re: New book on IJN WW2 cruisers…
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
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>
>Jon Parshall tells me it is now reported as available by USNI. I know
>he has got his copy of KAIGUN.
>
>-Brooks
>
>Steve Alvin wrote:
>
> >
> > I’ve been trying to order this book for my bookstore w/o success–it is
> > constantly back ordered by Ingram. I think someone from UNI is on this
> > list and maybe she could check on its avalibilty!
> >
> > —
> >
> > Steve Alvin
> > Dept. of Social Sciences
> > Illinois Valley Community College

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From Sat Dec 06 17:17:10 1997
>Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 19:15:58 -0500
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
>Organization: None whatsoever
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>CC: elmer@wpi.edu
>Subject: Re: New book on IJN WW2 cruisers…
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>
>Frank Dunn wrote:
> >
> > Also new from Chatham Publishing :
> >
> > >From :
> >
> > http://whiteensignmodels.simplenet.com/books2.htm
> >
> > Japanese Cruisers of The Pacific War Eric Lacroix and Linton Wells II. This
> > monumental work
> > is based on extensive and (many) unpublished sources. 880pp,150 Integrated
> > photographs,300 line drawings, copied from original Japanese
> > blueprints,h/b.£60.00
>
>Naval Institute Press in the US:
>
>
>
> > Frank Dunn, London, UK.
> > http://www.brazen.demon.co.uk/
>
>If anyone doesn’t know about this, LaCroix wrote many years of articles
>in THE BELGIAN SHIPLOVER (I’m still interested in buying old issues of
>this mag, btw)* on the IJN, and then published a multiple part series in
>WARSHIP INTERNATIONAL in late 70’s thru mid 80’s on IJN cruisers, which
>became, with major expansions, this book. You will learn more about
>IJN design practices in one article on this than in most any other
>western book.
>
>* I am particularly interested in finishing the day-to-day chronology of
>naval operations in the Russo-Japanese war that appear over several
>issues).
>
>-Brooks

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