Archive for January, 2009

Truk as Gibraltar of the Pacific

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Thu Nov 13 12:31:02 1997
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>Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 19:30:05 GMT
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> > >I’m searching for proofs that Truk was actually called the > Gibraltar of the
> > >Pacific. Some people have told that some island off California got that
> > name,
> > >and I dimly remember a discussion on one list. Can anyone cite > from a book
> > or
> > >webpage or article the use of Truk as Gibraltar of the Pacific?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Tim
> >
> > Funny, I’ve heard the term used to refer to Rabaul. It was such an obvious
> > reference it could have been made unofficially by a number of people. Truk
> > was a nice base ok. Lovely sheltered lagoon and well defended by ground
> > troops. Didn’t serve as well as the real Rock though, did it?
> > Eric Bergerud, 531 Kains Ave, Albany CA 94706, 510-525-093
>
>I can’t give a specific cite to Truk being the `Gibraltar of the >Pacific’, but
>I think it arose from the pre-war propaganda build-up about the `secret’
>Japanese bases in the Pacific. It was commonly believed that the >Japanese were
>turning thier Mandate Islands into fortresses. In actuallity, bases >like Truk
>proved to be adequate bases, but far from fortresses during the war.
>
>IIRC, Prados talks about this in his _Combined Fleet Decoded_.
>
>—-
>
>Steve Alvin
>Department of Social Sciences
>Illinois Valley Community College
>
>salvin@ocslink.com

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Biography

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Nov 11 00:47:03 1997
>Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:44:14 -0800
>From: Tracy Johnson
>Organization: Answers
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>Eric Bergerud wrote:
> > Pity there isn’t some way to give Washington an extra star. I’ll grant that
> > Marshall deserved the fifth, but none of the others were in the same league
> > with father George. Good men all mind you, in their own ways, but I don’t
> > see a Hap Arnold obelisk on the Mall in Washington DC any time soon.
> > Eric Bergerud, 531 Kains Ave, Albany CA 94706, 510-525-0930
>
>Hey, I thought Congress gave Washington that 6th star in the 1960’s or
>1970’s, or is this just urban legend?
>
>–
>Tracy Johnson
>Minister of Propaganda, Justin Thyme Productions
>tjohnson@adnetsol.com
>”Semper Pollus”
> ADC-2239-5531

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Obituary from WW2 list

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Nov 11 09:08:01 1997
>Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:07:35 -0500
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
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> >
> > Subject:
> > Obituary: Captain George Blundell, CBE
> > Date:
> > Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:49:02 +0200
> > From:
> > Cris Whetton
> >
> >
> > Captain George Blundell, who has died aged 93, had a long and successful
> > career in the torpedo branch of the Navy, but rendered his greatest service
> > to his fellow torpedomen immediately after the Second World War when he was
> > Executive Officer of HMS Vernon, the torpedo and mining school in
> > Portsmouth. It had been decided that the torpedo branch at Vernon and the
> > anti-submarine branch, at HMS Osprey at Portland, should amalgamate on Oct
> > 10 1946 to form a joint Torpedo and Anti-Submarine (TAS) branch. Both
> > branches regarded this prospect with dismay. The anti-submarine
> > specialists, whose expertise had played such a crucial part in winning the
> > Battle of the Atlantic, were particularly resentful. They considered
> > themselves a “small ship” branch, and looked on the torpedomen as mere “big
> > ship” electricians, mainly interested in volts and amps, and lacking the
> > necessary technical training and knowledge.
> > The torpedomen, for their part, were just as proud of their wartime
> > achievements and as jealous of their independence. They also faced a
> > difficult personal choice: whether to join the newly-formed electrical
> > branch, which would certainly increase chances of promotion to senior rank,
> > but would rule out sea-going command. The two branches were eventually
> > driven together by the sledge-hammer personality of Vernon’s Captain, John
> > Hughes-Hallet, but the process was greatly assisted by the good humour and
> > tact of Blundell, who as wardroom mess president provided the perfect
> > buffer between Hughes-Hallet and everybody else.
> > Blundell not only had to deal with > his Captain (who, for instance, as a
> > confirmed bachelor, strongly disapproved of Wrens in Vernon), but he also
> > had to tackle the problems of Vernon itself. The buildings were drab,
> > neglected and bomb-damaged. The roads were in disrepair, and blocked by
> > heaps of dockyard rubbish. There was wartime food rationing. The mess
> > silver, held in a safe in a warehouse which had been bombed and set on
> > fire, had melted into a single ingot. Accommodation had to be provided for
> > training classes, and for the thousands of officers and ratings returning
> > to Vernon from ships and shore establishments all over the world, and from
> > Vernon out-stations around Britain which were being closed. But under
> > Blundell’s urbane leadership matters improved. He knew he was succeeding
> > when the anti-submarine officers stopped loudly proclaiming that Osprey’s
> > wardroom was much better in every way. The new TAS branch was firmly
> > established by the late 1940s, for which much credit must go to George
> > Blundell.
> > George Collett Blundell was born on > May 25 1904 and joined the Navy as a
> > cadet in 1917, going to Osborne and Dartmouth, and then in 1921 to the
> > training ship Thunderer. After service in the destroyer Vidette, the
> > battlecruiser Hood, and the battleship Valiant (a ship he liked so much he
> > named his cocker spaniel after her), he qualified as a torpedo specialist
> > in 1930. He was Torpedo Officer of the cruisers Enterprise in the East
> > Indies, and Sheffield in the Home Fleet. In 1940, he was appointed Torpedo
> > Officer and First Lieutenant of the cruiser Kent in the Mediterranean where
> > she was hard-worked, carrying out shore bombardments, escorting convoys to
> > Malta, and beating off frequent air attacks. “Why is it,” Blundell confided
> > to the diary he kept (illegally in wartime), “that I, a naturally lazy,
> > indolent and quiet-loving fellow should be pitchforked into infernos of
> > hard work and bother?”
> > On Sept 17 1940, after the Italians > had launched their offensive in the
> > Western Desert, Kent and two destroyers were detached from the fleet to
> > carry out a midnight bombardment of the port of Sollum, near the Egyptian
> > border. Kent was bombed and machine-gunned in bright moonlight by Italian
> > aircraft, one of which dropped a torpedo which hit Kent “a tremendous blow
> > aft” wrote Blundell. “The whole ship reeled, then suddenly felt dead, and
> > we could feel on the bridge as if her tail had dropped, a sort of bending,
> > dragging feeling, and the ship wouldn’t steer.” When Blundell went aft, he
> > found there was no power or lighting, a fire raging, many compartments open
> > to the sea, and bodies lying in the passageways. The rudder was jammed 20
> > degrees to starboard. Under Blundell’s direction, power and lighting were
> > restored, bulkheads were shored up, the fire was put out, and a jury rig
> > forced the rudder amidships. Kent was taken in tow and, despite many air
> > raid alarms, reached Alexandria.
> > She had suffered 33 dead, including the Executive Officer. Some bodies
> > were buried at sea, but others, which had dropped through the huge hole in
> > the ship’s bottom, were still being washed ashore days later. The Captain
> > cleared the lower deck and announced that Blundell would now take over as
> > Executive Officer, “and it was quite wonderful and embarrassing,” Blundell
> > wrote, “the way they cheered and clapped”. He was appointed OBE for his
> > work that night.
> > In February 1941, Blundell joined the > battleship Nelson as Torpedo Officer
> > and First Lieutenant, and returned to the Mediterranean later in the year
> > when Nelson was Admiral Sir James Somerville’s flagship in Force H. On Sept
> > 27 1941, escorting the Halberd convoy to Malta, Nelson was hit forward by
> > an aerial torpedo – “there was a horrid underwater thud, the whole bow rose
> > and quivered, and the ship shook itself like a mighty animal.” Once again,
> > Blundell went into action, to restore power and lighting, stop flooding and
> > shore up bulkheads. All the food stores forward, and the cold rooms
> > containing meat, cheese and butter, were flooded. “I felt heartbroken,”
> > Blundell said, “about my 10lb Cape Town cheese, husbanded all these months
> > in the cold room, waiting for the day I go on leave.” Docking in Gibraltar
> > revealed that Nelson had a 40 ft-long hole in her hull. The compartment
> > where the torpedoes were stored had taken the full force of the explosion
> > and was a shambles.
> > Blundell had almost given up hopes of > promotion, but in June 1942 he was,
> > to everybody’s delight, promoted to Commander. In an unusual move, he was
> > reappointed to Nelson as Executive Officer. After the Pedestal convoy to
> > Malta in August 1942, he was serving in her for the Torch landings in north
> > Africa in November, the landings in Sicily in July 1943 and at Salerno in
> > September, and the signing of the Italian surrender on board the same
> > month. He was mentioned in despatches for his service in Nelson.
> > After the war, Blundell was promoted to Captain in 1947, commanded
> > Rifleman and her minesweeping flotilla from 1948 to 1950, and HMS Defiance,
> > the torpedo school in Devonport, from 1950 to 1952. His last appointment
> > before he retired in 1958 was as Director of Naval Recruiting. He was
> > appointed CBE in 1957.
> > In retirement he was an extremely > successful warden of the conference
> > centre at Goldicote House, Stratford-upon-Avon, which he ran as though it
> > were a ship, calling his office “the cuddy” (Captain’s cabin) and the
> > dining room “the wardrobe mess”.
> > In 1970, he was furious when the > local council did not empty his dustbin
> > for nine weeks, although his rates had quadrupled in six years. So he
> > deducted £14 from his rates “for inefficiency”. In court, replying to a
> > council application for a distress warrant to recover the money, he told
> > Stratford magistrates: “I don’t understand a distress warrant. Only a
> > distress signal.” He thought it disgraceful that the council should summon
> > “a harmless old man like myself”, but was ordered to pay the £14.
> > Extracts from his diaries were used > in The Imperial War Museum Book of the
> > War at Sea: the Royal Navy in the Second World War, edited by Julian
> > Thompson, and published last year. Blundell married, in 1945, Marcelle
> > Avril; they had two sons and a daughter.

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Thanks!

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Nov 11 12:40:02 1997
>Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:52:24 +0200
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>Subject: Re: Thanks!
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>
> > And a question to Tim: Do you know from what date the > Bundeswehr dates
> > its existence? Are there regiments that trace lineage back through
> > WWII and I to Prussian and other armies? (I could call the German
> > Army Liasion Officer here at Fort Huachuca, but asking on the list is
> > more fun.)
>
>It is 12 November 1956, the 201st birthday of General Scharnhorst. I do not
>believe there are any regiments with a true lineage back into the “good old
>days”. This is especially so since we would never have used regimental honors
>(if there were any) of Nazi-Germany, and I’d say none of the Kaiser’s Army
>either. The Bundeswehr is also not structured like the Prussian Army or the
>British Army (i.e. naming the regiments instead of pure numerical system),
>and also partly because most of Prussia was in East Germany.
>Nevertheless, you’d better ask the liasion officer, just to correct >my mistakes
>:)
>
>Tim Lanzendoerfer | “I have just taken on a great
>Amateur Naval Historian | responsibility. I will do my
>Email: BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de | utmost to meet it” – Nimitz
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WWII Fire Control Tech & Order of the Palm

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Nov 11 11:28:53 1997
>Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:27:16 -0800 (PST)
>From: Tracy Johnson
>To: MAHAN-L
>Subject: WWII Fire Control Tech & Order of the Palm
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>
>What was the proper terminology for a WWII U.S. Fire Control Technician
>First Class? Was the word “Technician” part of the rating or was it
>something else or left blank?
>
>I am genning up a bogus award parodied after the “Order of the Palm” fame
>of the movie “Mr. Roberts”, to be given to a WWII vet as a Christmas
>present. I want to get the rating right on the certificate. (We’ve also
>used this award in my Reserve unit, however “off-line” and “out of
>uniform” to avoid any “good order and discipline” issues and without
>signature or title of any real official.)
>
>(P.S. If anyone wants a copy of the award for their own personal use,
>e-mail me a request off the list. It is a MS-Word document and your
>e-mail must be able to handle the attachment.
>
>For those that wish to contruct their own copy, the graphic contains
>clip-art of two palm trees from MSWORKS (2palmtrs.wmf) followed by the
>below text, excerpted from the final letter of Mr. Roberts … using the
>True Type Billboard font at 18 point, Centered, the “Order of the Palm”
>line goes up to 36 point then back down to 18 afterward. It then goes
>down to 16 point at the sentence that starts with “This award…”.
>Parchment with border can be obtained at any Staples or Office Depot:)
>
>The Chief of Naval Inoperations takes great
> pleasure in awarding the
> Order of the Palm
> to
> add_a_rate/rank_and_name
>For “Action against the enemy, above and
> beyond the call of duty.”
>This award is presented to those exceptional
>individuals who have “sailed from Tedium to Apathy
>and back again, with an occasional side trip to
>Monotony”, who “have discovered”…”that the
>unseen enemy”…”is the boredom that eventually
>becomes a faith,” and “that the ones who refuse
>to surrender to it are the strongest of all.”
>
>—
>
>Tracy Johnson
>Minister of Propaganda, Justin Thyme Productions
>tjohnson@adnetsol.com
>”Semper Pollus”
> ADC-2239-5531

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Gen’l Washington and the five stars.

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Nov 11 15:33:28 1997
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>From: Marc James Small
>Subject: Re: Gen’l Washington and the five stars.
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>Washington’s highest rank during his lifetime was Lieutenant General. He
>was appointed to the position of General of the Armies, but this was an
>office, not a rank.
>
>Pershing was promoted to ‘General of the Armies’ but no rank was ever
>specified and he only wore four stars. He was paid as an active-duty full
>general, though, until he died: a field marshal never retires, and his
>grade was equated with theirs.
>
>In the Second War, things were regularized a bit. We ended up with
>’General of the Army’ as MacArthur didn’t want the same grade as Pershing
>(they had never gotten along) and Marshall didn’t want to be ‘Field Marshal
>Marshall’. We ended up with ‘Fleet Admiral’ as Ernie King detested the
>British and so objected to the use of their grade, ‘Admiral of the Fleet’.
>
>If something happened to move our first President up on the retired list,
>I’d not heard about it. I doubt if he did, either.
>
>Marc
>
>
>msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315
>Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir!

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Gen’l Washington and the five stars.

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Nov 11 15:48:20 1997
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>
>
> >
> >In the Second War, things were regularized a bit. We ended up with
> >’General of the Army’ as MacArthur didn’t want the same grade as Pershing
> >(they had never gotten along) and Marshall didn’t want to be ‘Field Marshal
> >Marshall’. We ended up with ‘Fleet Admiral’ as Ernie King detested the
> >British and so objected to the use of their grade, ‘Admiral of the Fleet’.
> >
> >If something happened to move our first President up on the retired list,
> >I’d not heard about it. I doubt if he did, either.
> >
> >Marc
> >
> >
> >msmall@roanoke.infi.net FAX: +540/343-7315
> >Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir!
> >
> >
>Thankee much Marc for the wonderful post. I would guess that if George could
>have observed any of this from wherever “divine providence” originates, he
>would claim complete indifference to sharing rank with other leaders, but
>secretly be ticked as hell. Might be a good thing that MacArthur didn’t get
>into the White House though…he might have tried to get that obelisk renamed.
>Eric Bergerud, 531 Kains Ave, Albany CA 94706, 510-525-0930

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request for indulgence

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Nov 11 21:31:14 1997
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>
> >I think this is the kind of thing Mahan is for.
> >
> >By the way, I taped a few weeks ago a C-SPAN show of a lecture by
> >Keegan. he mentioned that his Naval warfare book was not well
> >received, asserting that the Naval Historian writers formed rather
> >a closed club and that if you made a few small errors you were raked
> >over the coals by them.
> >
> >I would assert that if you get details wrong, to what extent can we
> >trust you in the big picture too? At any rate, I would be interested
> >in seeing your comments.
> >
> >Brooks A Rowlett
> >brooksar@indy.net
>
>Frankly I think Keegan has a point. Both naval and aviation history has
>become overly specialized in my humble opinion. Keegan’s _Face of Battle_
>contained a host of assumptions that a military historian could question but
>it was a brilliant book nevertheless. There is a priesthood of military
>minutia in every field and it can have a stifling effect, especially if it
>keeps non-specialists out of things. It also leads people to stress either a
>certain type of technical study (damn, I’d KILL for more good books on basic
>military sub-systems in World War II: bombs, gunsights, self-sealing fuel
>tanks, fire control or damage control on ships etc etc) or first person
>accounts from the “bottom of the fish bowl.” What is getting lost is the
>fabric of operations: the intersection of technology, military doctrine and
>the human psyche. And we should be glad that someone is reaching a large
>audiance in print. I knew the subject a little too well to like the World
>War II sections in _Admiralty_ but sure considered some segments contained
>in the chapters on Trafalgar and Jutland worth the price of admission. I’ve
>done three books and believe me I am convinced that no one is perfect but
>Allah. Mistakes of one kind or another are built into the game. (A good
>editor is worth their weight in gold. In my first Vietnam book I almost had
>Troung Chinh, chief ideological guide of Hanoi’s politburo, commanding the
>ARVN 25th Division. Odd things happen at 3:00 AM). Obviously this is a
>matter of degree. Nobody can support sloppy research. Yet it’s worth it to
>paint with a broad brush sometimes but when you do it’s a lot easier to
>dribble paint on the carpet.
>Eric Bergerud, 531 Kains Ave, Albany CA 94706, 510-525-0930

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request for indulgence

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Wed Nov 12 00:54:24 1997
>To: mahan@microworks.net, rickt@cris.com (Eric Bergerud)
>Subject: Re: request for indulgence
>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 07:55:29 GMT
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>
>
> > >I think this is the kind of thing Mahan is for.
> > >
>Me too!
> > >By the way, I taped a few weeks ago a C-SPAN show of a lecture by
> > >Keegan. he mentioned that his Naval warfare book was not well
> > >received, asserting that the Naval Historian writers formed rather
> > >a closed club and that if you made a few small errors you were raked
> > >over the coals by them.
> > >
> > >I would assert that if you get details wrong, to what extent can we
> > >trust you in the big picture too? At any rate, I would be interested
> > >in seeing your comments.
> > >
> > >Brooks A Rowlett
> > >brooksar@indy.net
> >
> > Frankly I think Keegan has a point. Both naval and aviation history has
> > become overly specialized in my humble opinion. Keegan’s _Face of Battle_
> > contained a host of assumptions that a military historian could > question but
> > it was a brilliant book nevertheless.
>
>
>Normally I try to avoid `hear, hear’ posts, but I agree with everything Eric
>said. Keegan sometimes misidentifies the trees, but his veiw of the >forest is,
>imho, very insightful. If I was to assign just one book on military history,
>it would be _Face_. Keegan is probably the most important military historian
>of his generation. Even if you disagree with his conclusions, his work has
>stimulated a mountain of new research in military history.
>
> > Eric Bergerud, 531 Kains Ave, Albany CA 94706, 510-525-0930
> >
> >
>
>—-
>
>Steve Alvin
>Department of Social Sciences
>Illinois Valley Community College
>
>salvin@ocslink.com

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Truk as Gibraltar of the Pacific

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Thu Nov 13 06:09:00 1997
>Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:06:49 +0100
>To: wwii-l@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu, mahan@microwrks.com
>Subject: Truk as Gibraltar of the Pacific
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>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
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>
>I’m searching for proofs that Truk was actually called the Gibraltar of the
>Pacific. Some people have told that some island off California got that name,
>and I dimly remember a discussion on one list. Can anyone cite from a book or
>webpage or article the use of Truk as Gibraltar of the Pacific?
>
>Thanks,
>Tim
>
>Tim Lanzendoerfer | “I have just taken on a great
>Amateur Naval Historian | responsibility. I will do my
>Email: BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de | utmost to meet it” – Nimitz
>—————————————————————–
> The United States Navy in the Pacific War 1941 – 1945
> http://www.microworks.net/pacific
> The ships, the men, the battles
>—————————————————————–

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