From Mon Nov 17 21:08:27 1997
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> >From Janes Defense Weekly, 5 Nov 1997:
>
>”Prime Minister Bartholomew Uluf’alu of the Solomon Islands
>has appealed to the USA and Japan for assistance to clean up
>the wreckage of more than 50 warship sunk nears the islands
>during the battle of Guadalcanal and other WWII battles.”
>
>No other details.
>Tom
>
>
>Tom Robison
>Ossian, Indiana
>tcrobi@mindspring.com

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From Tue Nov 18 15:39:48 1997
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> >>From Janes Defense Weekly, 5 Nov 1997:
> >
> >”Prime Minister Bartholomew Uluf’alu of the Solomon Islands
> >has appealed to the USA and Japan for assistance to clean up
> >the wreckage of more than 50 warship sunk nears the islands
> >during the battle of Guadalcanal and other WWII battles.”
> >
> >No other details.
> >Tom
> >
> >
> >Tom Robison
> >Ossian, Indiana
> >tcrobi@mindspring.com
> >
> >
> >
>Sounds odd. As the Ballard expedition illustrated, Ironbottom sound is very
>deep and most of the ships there are, to put it mildly, there for the
>duration. I was under the impression that military tourism added a few
>needed nickles into the coffers of the Solomons economy. The wrecks of
>merchantmen are still there on the beach. I do know some scuba divers like
>to search the shallow waters for smallcraft and aircraft. Please keep us
>informed if we are asked to move the Astoria or Japan to remove the >Kurishima.
>Eric Bergerud, 531 Kains Ave, Albany CA 94706, 510-525-0930

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From Tue Nov 18 20:50:05 1997
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>Eric wrote
>
> >Sounds odd. As the Ballard expedition illustrated, Ironbottom sound is very
> >deep and most of the ships there are, to put it mildly, there for the
> >duration. I was under the impression that military tourism added a few
> >needed nickles into the coffers of the Solomons economy. The wrecks of
> >merchantmen are still there on the beach. I do know some scuba divers like
> >to search the shallow waters for smallcraft and aircraft. Please keep us
> >informed if we are asked to move the Astoria or Japan to remove the
> >Kurishima.
>
>As I indicated, there were no other details. I even searched Janes web page
>to see if there was any further stories, but could find none.
>
>I haven’t done a full web search for any other articles related to the
>Solomons, etc. Something might pop up there.
>
>I have a feeling that what they want help with is the beached ships and
>shallow water wrecks. After all, don’t sunken ships eventually form new
>reefs that are beneficial to the sea life?
>
>Of course, there is always the possibility that the Prime Minister is only
>trying to fleece the US and Japan for a few bucks.
>
>
>
>Tom Robison
>Ossian, Indiana
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From Wed Nov 19 14:15:44 1997
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:23:58 +0000
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>From: “Floyd B. Mack”
>Subject: Warships sunk during Guadalcanal
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>This came up from the depths:
> >>From Janes Defense Weekly, 5 Nov 1997:
> >
> >”Prime Minister Bartholomew Uluf’alu of the Solomon Islands
> >has appealed to the USA and Japan for assistance to clean up
> >the wreckage of more than 50 warship sunk nears the islands
> >during the battle of Guadalcanal and other WWII battles.”
> >
>
>Hmmm, unless the hulks are rusting above the low tide mark, or pose a
>threat to navigation and fishing, why bother? If they are within sport
>diving range, let the divers enjoy them. If they are below that, leave
>them be.
>
>Cheers,
>Floyd B. Mack
>Southern Yankee in Britain

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From Wed Nov 19 14:33:26 1997
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:32:29 +0000
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>From: “Floyd B. Mack”
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>This came up from the depths:
> >
> >Of course, there is always the possibility that the Prime Minister is only
> >trying to fleece the US and Japan for a few bucks.
> >
>
>Tom, you ol’ salt, you must be a carpenter. I think you probably hit
>the nail on the thumb, er, head.
>
>Cheers,
>Floyd B. Mack
>Southern Yankee in Britain

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From Wed Nov 19 17:00:48 1997
>Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:30:19 +0930
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>From: Tom Lewis
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>According to an article in this week’s Navy News (Australia), the hulks are
>leaking oil and killing off local fishlife and coral. The government there
>are appealling to the governments who “own” the ships for help.
>
>Tom Lewis, Lieutenant
>Maritime Historian,
>Headquarters Northern Command,
>Darwin, Northern Territory,
>Australia 0800.
>
>Ph: 08 89 802552 (b), 08 89 451123(h), fax: 08 89 455130
>Mailto:lewist@peg.apc.org
>
>
> >This came up from the depths:
> >>>From Janes Defense Weekly, 5 Nov 1997:
> >>
> >>”Prime Minister Bartholomew Uluf’alu of the Solomon Islands
> >>has appealed to the USA and Japan for assistance to clean up
> >>the wreckage of more than 50 warship sunk nears the islands
> >>during the battle of Guadalcanal and other WWII battles.”
> >>
> >
> >Hmmm, unless the hulks are rusting above the low tide mark, or pose a
> >threat to navigation and fishing, why bother? If they are within sport
> >diving range, let the divers enjoy them. If they are below that, leave
> >them be.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Floyd B. Mack
> >Southern Yankee in Britain

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From Wed Nov 19 17:13:51 1997
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:13:41 -0800 (PST)
>From: Tracy Johnson
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>On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Floyd B. Mack wrote:
>
> > Hmmm, unless the hulks are rusting above the low tide mark, or pose a
> > threat to navigation and fishing, why bother? If they are within sport
> > diving range, let the divers enjoy them. If they are below that, leave
> > them be.
>
>The deep ones could be a good source of uncontaminated iron & steel that
>hasn’t been hit by atmospheric radiation since the explosion of the first
>atom bomb. It would be the same type of source they been using from the
>German ships scuttled at Scapa Flow.
>
>Tracy Johnson
>Computer Associates International Inc.
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>not representative of my employer.)
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From Wed Nov 19 17:55:02 1997
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:52:43 -0800
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>This might be insoluble. Warship wrecks contain not only dense oil but
>also lots of deteriorating ammunition. Jostling a wreck might set some
>of it off.
>
>When they capsized, HMS =Audacious= and HMS =Barham= both suffered
>magazine explosions. I would think the phenomenon resulted from shell
>movement, although it might be unique to 1914-era British ammunition.
>
>Was potential shifting of ammunition a consideration in the salvage of
>wrecks such as USS Oklahoma from Pearl Harbor? Has Norway, even with
>national wealth and a lot of maritime engineering expertise, ever
>figured out how to deal with the Nazi heavy cruiser =Blucher= on the
>bottom of Oslofjord?
>
>Tom Lewis wrote:
> >
> > According to an article in this week’s Navy News (Australia), the hulks are
> > leaking oil and killing off local fishlife and coral. The government there
> > are appealling to the governments who “own” the ships for help.
> >
> > Tom Lewis, Lieutenant
> > Maritime Historian,
> > Headquarters Northern Command,
> > Darwin, Northern Territory,
> > Australia 0800.
> >
> > Ph: 08 89 802552 (b), 08 89 451123(h), fax: 08 89 455130
> > Mailto:lewist@peg.apc.org
> >
> > >This came up from the depths:
> > >>>From Janes Defense Weekly, 5 Nov 1997:
> > >>
> > >>”Prime Minister Bartholomew Uluf’alu of the Solomon Islands
> > >>has appealed to the USA and Japan for assistance to clean up
> > >>the wreckage of more than 50 warship sunk nears the islands
> > >>during the battle of Guadalcanal and other WWII battles.”

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From Wed Nov 19 21:58:00 1997
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>On 19 Nov 97 at 22:25, Tom Robison wrote:
>
> > This brings up the age old question, who “owns” old wrecks. Once a wreck is
> > abandoned in international waters, it is fair game for salvage.
>
>Naval vessels are never abandoned and, by international agreement, remain the
>property of their country in perpetuity as military graves.
>
>Regards,
>
>James
>
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From Thu Nov 20 01:18:00 1997
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> >
> >Still sounds to me like a scam to fleece Uncle Sugar. How much oil can be
> >leaking? Yes, I know, the Arizona is still fouling Pearl Harbor, but how
> >serious can the pollution problem be in The Slot?
> >
> >
> >
> >Tom Robison
> >Ossian, Indiana
> >tcrobi@mindspring.com
> >
> >
>As it happens I talked about coral in the SOPAC with one of the bigwigs at
>UC Berkeley last year and he tells me that experts are in despair concerning
>the subject. He was not referring to wrecks, just general pollution. I am
>not real clear on how deep water wrecks could damage coral – over the fifty
>five years heaven knows how many thousands of vessels have gone through the
>area. BTW: who is using Kriegsmarine scrap from Scapa Flow?
>Eric Bergerud, 531 Kains Ave, Albany CA 94706, 510-525-0930

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