From Fri Nov 21 01:47:29 1997
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>From: rickt@cris.com (Eric Bergerud)
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> >Eric Bergerud wrote:
> >>
> >> As it happens I talked about coral in the SOPAC with one of the bigwigs at
> >> UC Berkeley last year and he tells me that experts are in > despair concerning
> >> the subject.
> >
> >Yes but usually the politically correct hacks at Berkeley will also get
> >into despair over the sight of red meat at a McDonalds, so who knows how
> >important it really is?
> >–
> >Tracy Johnson
>
>The destruction of coral reefs is not a politically correct fantasy. The
>Australian government is most concerned because the Gold Coast is such a
>major source of revenue. BTW Berkeley is, among other things, the home of
>one of the greatest universities in the world. Perhaps Mr. Johnson believes
>trees cause air pollution?
>Eric Bergerud, 531 Kains Ave, Albany CA 94706, 510-525-0930

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From Fri Nov 21 10:27:04 1997
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>SIGNOFF

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>SIGNOFF

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From Fri Nov 21 10:01:47 1997
>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:10:02 +0100
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>Subject: Book: Barrier and the Javelin
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>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
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>Ladies and Gentlemen,
>since I have recently bought “Empires in the Balance” by H.P. >Willmott, I would
>like to hear from people who’ve read it and the one in the >signature. Are they
>worth the 32$ I have/will pay for them??
>
>Tim
>
>Tim Lanzendoerfer | “I have just taken on a great
>Amateur Naval Historian | responsibility. I will do my
>Email: BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de | utmost to meet it” – Nimitz
>—————————————————————–
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> http://www.microworks.net/pacific
> The ships, the men, the battles
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From Fri Nov 21 06:30:41 1997
>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 05:29:45 -0800 (PST)
>From: Tracy Johnson
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>Subject: Re: Warships sunk during Guadalcanal
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>On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Eric Bergerud wrote:
>
> > The destruction of coral reefs is not a politically correct fantasy. The
> > Australian government is most concerned because the Gold Coast is such a
> > major source of revenue. BTW Berkeley is, among other things, the home of
> > one of the greatest universities in the world. Perhaps Mr. Johnson believes
> > trees cause air pollution?
> > Eric Bergerud, 531 Kains Ave, Albany CA 94706, 510-525-0930
>
>I never said that the coral reef problem was a politically correct
>fantasy, I said that the hacks at Berkely were politically correct.
>
>Tracy Johnson
>Computer Associates International Inc.
>(Opinions expressed on public forums
>such as list-servers are mine and are
>not representative of my employer.)
>- – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
>(For interactive games…)
>Minister of Propaganda, Justin Thyme Productions
>tjohnson@adnetsol.com
>”Semper Pollus”
> ADC-2239-5531

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From Fri Nov 21 09:29:50 1997
>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:28:15 -0800
>From: Mike Potter
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>An earlier correspondent’s post was correct that the British fired with
>machine guns at German lifeboats during the scuttling of the High Seas
>Fleet at Scapa Flow. They also summarily shot Germans who failed to stop
>their ships from sinking. German casualties were 9 dead and 16 wounded,
>all by gunfire.
>
>Dan van der Vat’s =The Grand Scuttle= covers this aspect and is a source
>for the above (pp 175-78; correction to my own earlier post).
>
>–
>Michael C. Potter, Mgr, TelCo/Govt Programs mike.potter@artecon.com
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From Fri Nov 21 10:35:49 1997
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>From: rivera.3@osu.edu (Carlos R. Rivera)
>Subject: Re: Firing during Scapa Flow scuttling
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> >An earlier correspondent’s post was correct that the British fired with
> >machine guns at German lifeboats during the scuttling of the High Seas
> >Fleet at Scapa Flow. They also summarily shot Germans who failed to stop
> >their ships from sinking. German casualties were 9 dead and 16 wounded,
> >all by gunfire.
> >
>So, does the killing of sailors in lifeboats who were not threatening to
>escape from custody qualify this as either a war crime or homicide? Seems
>to me that simply scuttling your vessel and then departing it for dry
>ground is not then or today an internationally recognized justification for
>deadly force.
>
>As to the summary executions, if the victims were prisoners of war weren’t
>they entitled to protection, and if they were not treated as pows what was
>their status?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Carlos R. Rivera

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From Fri Nov 21 12:17:35 1997
>From: Brooks Rowlett
>Subject: Re: Book: Barrier and the Javelin
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:16:22 -0500 (EST)
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>Wilmott’s EMPIRES IN THE BALANCE and THE BARRIER AND TEH JAVELIN
>are absolutely among the best histories of early Pacific War. Good,
>detailed, insightful, and with interesting alternatives that make one stop
>and think.
>
>Tim – I may be able to come across these used – I have seen these lately.
>
>-Brooks

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From Fri Nov 21 16:54:32 1997
>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:38:29 +0100
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>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
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>Brooks Rowlett schrieb:
>
>Brooks, anybody,
>I seem to have problems with receiving Brooks’ postings over the >last days. Is
>this a unique problem of mine? If it is, any ideas what might be the reason?
>And Brooks, would you pretty much please send your mail re: Barrier and the
>Javelin to me directly again?
>
>Thanks,
>Tim
>
>Tim Lanzendoerfer | “I have just taken on a great
>Amateur Naval Historian | responsibility. I will do my
>Email: BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de | utmost to meet it” – Nimitz
>—————————————————————–
> The United States Navy in the Pacific War 1941 – 1945
> http://www.microworks.net/pacific
> The ships, the men, the battles
>—————————————————————–

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From Fri Nov 21 15:28:49 1997
>From: “Francis.Timothy”
>To: rickt@cris.com, “‘mahan@microworks.net‘”
>Subject: RE: request for indulgence
>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:22:35 -0500
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>
> >If I was to assign just one book on military history,
> >it would be _Face_. Keegan is probably the most important
>military >historian of his generation. Even if you disagree with his
>conclusions, his >work has stimulated a mountain of new research in
>military history.
>
> I’d chime in and say that the most important chapter of *Face of
>Battle* is chapter one. The later battle analysis chapters are ok but
>nothing to get excited about. The really good stuff deals with his
>critique of battle history.
>
> Tim Francis

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