Archive for January, 2009

Updates on the Navy Pages!

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Oct 07 07:58:49 1997
>Date: Tue, 7 Oct 97 16:55 MET DST
>To: harpoon@lists.stanford.edu, mahan@microwrks.com,
> wwii-l@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu, > marhst-l@post.queensu.ca, consim-l@listserv.uni-c.dk
>Subject: Updates on the Navy Pages!
>X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.0
>X-Sender: 0611603955-0001@t-online.de (Silvia Lanzendoerfer)
>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>Reply-To: mahan@microworks.net
>
>Greetings,
>over the last month, a couple of updates have been made to the US Navy in the
>Pacific War pages, which have now been effected by uploading.
>Though most of these changes are mainly >cosmetical, you will now be able to view
>the entire destroyer force of the US Navy (minus >DEs). Also, a FAQ gives hints
>on some controversial issues and the Feedback section has been enlargened to
>herald more help which I received.
>The Aviation section has been restructured and now displays it’s first full
>member, the F4F Wildcat.
>The Library section has been updated. The >Updates page has been updated. The US
>Navy Departement’s crest has been build into the >opening part of the homepage.
>Several more images have been uploaded were none >had been before. The Links page
>has been reopened.
>If you would enjoy to have your page linked there, or if you already have,
>please Email me so we can discuss swapping links.
>
>That’s it for now,
>Tim
>
>Tim Lanzendörfer | “Lebt der Herr Reichskanzler noch?
>Amateur Naval Historian | Und wenn ja, was gedenkt er dagegen
>Email: BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de | zu tun?” – Private letter, 1905
>
> The United States Navy in the Pacific War 1941 – 1945
> http://www.microworks.net/pacific/index.htm
> The ships, the men, the battles

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Book review: Warships of the USSR and Russia 1945-1995

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Oct 07 14:15:25 1997
>Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 12:38:59 -0700
>From: Mike Potter
>Organization: Artecon, Inc.
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I)
>To: mahan@microworks.net, MARHST-L@post.queensu.ca
>Subject: Book review: Warships of the USSR and Russia 1945-1995
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>Reply-To: mahan@microworks.net
>
>I wrote this review for _Naval Engineers Journal_, published by the
>American Society of Naval Engineers (ASNE):
>
>Book: Alexander Sergeivich Pavlov (author) and Norman Friedman (editor),
>_Warships of the USSR and Russia 1945-1995_ [Annapolis: Naval Institute
>Press, 1997]
>
> Without access to official sources but with help from a network of
>”about 550″ fellow naval enthusiasts, in this reference handbook Russian
>naval architect Alexander Pavlov describes all Soviet and Russian
>warships launched or completed since 1945. ASNE member Dr. Norman
>Friedman, an articulate and insightful expert on modern warships,
>amplifies the translated text using western intelligence sources and
>other recent Russian publications.
> The book is arranged as were mid-century editions of _Jane’s Fighting
>Ships_, beginning with battleships and ending with auxiliaries. For a
>rough indicator of Soviet design priorities: submarines and coastal or
>inland surface ships occupy half the pages. Illustrations are large and
>plentiful. Diagrams show internal arrangements and underwater hull forms
>for submarines, information entirely hidden from the west as recently as
>1991.
> An illuminating discovery is that Soviet Russia followed ten-year
>plans for warship construction projects, which tends to confirm earlier
>estimates that the Soviet navy’s strategic mission changed very little
>from Stalin onward. I think successive Soviet regimes built this navy
>primarily to deter or defeat any potential foreign attempt to intervene
>in a Russian-controlled region should the local authorities collapse,
>and secondarily, to fight as the seaward flank should an opportunity
>arise for a Soviet military advance into the Middle East, Scandinavia,
>or wherever. The resulting fleet configuration was already suitable for
>defending ballistic missile submarine bastions when that mission was
>added around 1970.
> Pavlov reveals innovative, almost fantastic, craft such as the huge
>and heavily-armed Project 1239 surface effect ships. U.S. Navy personnel
>are impressed with the information that this book delivers but are
>somewhat disoriented by Russian weapons designations. NATO codes are
>given for ships and some missiles only.
> Exciting discoveries are offset by absences of some data. This book
>says virtually nothing about actual operations or about how
>satisfactorily seamen, naval architects, economists, and strategists
>judged these ships. How well does the aforementioned Project 1239
>perform? Poorly, say other sources; Pavlov is silent. Naval aviation and
>coast defenses are not covered. Ships’ fates are rarely stated; no doubt
>few officials even in Russia really know this dormant fleet’s true
>status today.
> _Warships of the USSR and Russia_ works primarily as an additional
>reference book for naval enthusiasts and professionals who have other
>books about these ships, their weapons, and their operations. Those
>readers may ponder whether to fault or to salute the Russians for
>actually building, at great effort in a poor nation, advanced craft of
>types that American authorities dismissed as impractical for warships.
>
>–
>Michael C. Potter, Mgr, TelCo/Govt Programs mike.potter@artecon.com
>Artecon, Inc. | | Mail: PO Box 9000
>6305 El Camino Real -|- _|_ Carlsbad CA
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Subchasers (was: Kuching, September 1945)

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Wed Oct 08 19:12:12 1997
>Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:10:27 -0400 (EDT)
>From: MEMullen@aol.com
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>Subject: Subchasers (was: Kuching, September 1945)
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>Reply-To: mahan@microworks.net
>
>jpszalay@tacl.dnet.ge.com (JOHN SZALAY) says:
>>Nothing specfic to the SC.648 however the Patrol Craft Sailors Assc.
>has this information on SC’s
>……………………………………………………………….
> 110-FOOT, WOOD HULL SUBCHASER (SC)
> >> (details snipped)
>
>I spent a 2 week cruise on one of the great lakes subchasers (USS ELY,
>PCE881, IIRC), and was wondering what the differences were between the SC,
>PC, and PCE. We still had a 3″ popgun, which we fired once (the case jammed,
>so the exercise was cancelled), and a sonar (which operator reported a
>contact while we were transiting between Sheboygan and Green Bay). The
>length of 95′ sticks in my mind, but, with advancing age… This was in the
>summer of ’68.
>
>Mike Mullen, ETN2, USNR(Ret)

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Need credible reports of harrassment of VN vets … soon.

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Fri Oct 10 02:36:01 1997
>X-Authentication-Warning: ecom3.ecnet.net: mslrc owned process doing -bs
>Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 04:34:20 -0500 (CDT)
>From: “Louis R. Coatney”
>X-Sender: mslrc@ecom3
>To: milhst-l@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu, mahan@microwrks.com,
> consim-l@listserv.uni-c.dk
>Subject: Need credible reports of harrassment of VN vets … soon.
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>Reply-To: mahan@microworks.net
>
>
>The history prof who teaches Viet Nam here has claimed that Bob
> Greene’s book HOMECOMING … describing returning Viet Nam vets
> being spit upon or verbally/etc. harrassed or mistreated … in
> college, in public, at home, etc. … is just hearsay
> exaggeration.
>
>And so … for him and selected other members of the History
> faculty here … I would appreciate any VN vets on these lists
> who experienced serious discrimination/harrassment before or
> after their VN service … or since, for it … sending me
> specific descriptions of what happened at …
>
> mslrc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
>
>If you know of other individuals or another list who could provide
> specific instances, please forward this to them.
>
>Thank you for any assistance. As the Jews tell us, “Never again!”
> *means* “Never forget!” … and there are those who don’t want
> certain things remembered.
>
>Lou Coatney
>Macomb, Illinois
>
>CONSIM-L: Let’s PLEASE not start a discussion thread on this.
> This is for a military history list. I’m only posting it on
> CONSIM-L, because I think I remember a couple of vets who
> shared their experiences, a year or two ago.

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Need credible reports of harrassment of VN vets … soon

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Sat Oct 11 07:25:38 1997
>Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:24:15 -0700
>From: “Burr Patterson, Jr.” >Organization: PIT/The Telephone Man
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K)
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>Subject: Re: Need credible reports of harrassment of VN vets … soon
>X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by >denmark.it.earthlink.net id HAA12184
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>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>Reply-To: mahan@microworks.net
>
>Morning,
> I have tried to say nothing but, I will share this.
> I returned as a civilian in Nam after I got out of the sevice. I was
>coming home for reports/rr, when I got off the plane at SF airport I was
>over run by a mob running wild. A young woman got in my face (3″),
>cursed me then spit. She was the only woman I have ever hit in my life
>and I hope she still has the marks. I will never forget

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Need credible reports of harrassment of VN vets … soon

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Sat Oct 11 07:49:49 1997
>Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:52:37 -0700
>From: TMOliver
>Organization: Kestrel/SWRC/Oliver
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I)
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>Subject: Re: Need credible reports of harrassment of VN vets … soon
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>Reply-To: mahan@microworks.net
>
>Burr Patterson, Jr. wrote:
> >
> > Morning,
> > I have tried to say nothing …
>
>I had forwarded not dissimilar experiences (some not returning from Viet
>Nam but coming and going to ACDUTRA) by Email to the original poster,
>but I’m not sure if you’re right and I was wrong in your going ahead and
>posting to Marhist. The memory of events remains both vivid and
>painful.
>–
>Famous “BigSig” on leave of absence at nearby “FatFarm” seeking
>substantial
>shrinkage….
> OLIVERSENDS/OPIMMEDIATE

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Lae, in early 1942, and the carrier raids back then

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Sat Oct 11 12:57:40 1997
>Date: Sat, 11 Oct 97 21:54 MET DST
>To: mahan@microwrks.com, >marhst-l@post.queensu.ca, wwii-l@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu
>Subject: Lae, in early 1942, and the carrier raids back then
>X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.0
>X-Sender: 0611603955-0001@t-online.de (Silvia Lanzendoerfer)
>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>Reply-To: mahan@microworks.net
>
>The mystics of incomplete histories have once again reached me. I was just
>sitting around and compiling stuff when I was struck by something.
>On March 8th, 1942, the invasion force of Lae, >New Guinea, was struck by planes
>from USS Enterprise and Yorktown, which were then operating south of Port
>Moresby, Neew Guinea.
>Before these operations, the same carriers, apparently, struck the Marshalls,
>Gilberts, Wake and Marcus Islands in the Central Pacific.
>Now…when did the operations against these Central Pacific Islands conclude,
>and why did the two carriers sortie to the Coral >Sea by then, and how comes they
>were in such restricted waters as those between Port Moresby and Australia?
>
>Thanks,
>Tim
>
>Tim Lanzendörfer | “Lebt der Herr Reichskanzler noch?
>Amateur Naval Historian | Und wenn ja, was gedenkt er dagegen
>Email: BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de | zu tun?” – Private letter, 1905
>
> The United States Navy in the Pacific War 1941 – 1945
> http://www.microworks.net/pacific/index.htm
> The ships, the men, the battles

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Please check: Admirals

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Sun Oct 12 16:49:59 1997
>From: “John Forester”
>To: ,
> ,
>
>Subject: Re: Please check: Admirals
>Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 08:54:05 -0700
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161
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>
>This is not much help in your quest, just gossip.
>
>Admiral Ainsworth.
>Ah yes, he had two very nice, tall, and beautiful red-haired daughters,
>Elizabeth and ??, and a son. During the war, they lived in Berkeley just a
>few blocks from my house. The daughters belonged to the same skating club
>as I did, the St. Moritz in Berkeley. I liked both daughters, but I liked
>the older one more; she was my age and in my school classes. During a
>skiing Christmas vacation at the Sierra Club lodge, their brother quizzed
>me as to which sister I preferred. I was too young and too embarassed to
>give a straight answer, covering up by saying that what I preferred was
>that their mother drove us home after skating. That tore it, and skating
>companionship was never the same, although Elizabeth was my assigned
>partner in one of the club performances.
>
>John Forester
>408-734-9426 726 Madrone Ave
>forester@johnforester.com Sunnyvale, CA 94086-3041

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SS UNITED STATES Update

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Oct 13 20:49:20 1997
>Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:48:43 -0600
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
>Organization: None whatsoever
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
>To: Mahan Naval History Mailing List ,
> MARHST
>CC: “C. Patrick Hreachmack”
>Subject: SS UNITED STATES Update
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>Reply-To: mahan@microworks.net
>
>A story about the SS UNITED STATES is currently on the www at URL:
>
>http://www.phillynews.com:80/daily_news/97/Oct/13/local/SHIP13.htm

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Let me know when you have purged PROF CHARLES CHADBOURN.

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Wed Oct 15 00:07:14 1997
>X-Sender: dave@microworks.net
>X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32)
>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:06:53 -0700
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>From: Dave Riddle
>Subject: Re: Let me know when you have purged PROF CHARLES CHADBOURN.
>Cc: mslrc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>Reply-To: mahan@microworks.net
>
>Well punch him off right now!!
>
>At 01:46 AM 10/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >It’s MoRison, incidentally.
> >
> >In any case, I’m out of here, until PROF CHARLES CHADBOURN (if he
> > really exists) is ejected from this list. I’ve got 50-some-and-
> > counting form msgs … so far.
> >
> >You might check out this clown’s address, if this was the hack job
> > it seems to be.
> >
> >Later, Middies. 🙂
> >
> >Lou
> > Coatney, mslrc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
> >
> >
> >
> >
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