Archive for January, 2009

Purged PROF CHARLES CHADBOURN.

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Wed Oct 15 00:15:00 1997
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>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:14:39 -0700
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>From: Dave Riddle
>Subject: Purged PROF CHARLES CHADBOURN.
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
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>
>He has been removed!
>
>Whew….
>
>Let that be a very rough lesson for everyone – no vacation message unless
>it only broadcast once.
>|———————————————————–|
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Historiography & RADM Morrison -Reply -Reply -Reply -Reply -Reply

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Wed Oct 15 17:06:56 1997
>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:06:59 -0600
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
>Organization: None whatsoever
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>To: mahan@microworks.net
>Subject: Re: Historiography & RADM Morrison -Reply -Reply -Reply
>
> -Reply -Reply
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>Reply-To: mahan@microworks.net
>
>Talk about Echosssss…..
>
>The lesson is to set nomail on your mailing lists, before using an
>autoreply to tell people you won’t be on your email for a while.
>
>Obviously, what happened here is that any message sent to the Prof, got
>the auto-reply. The reply went to the listserver, which distributed it,
>which then sent it to the Prof’s account, which replied that her wasn’t
>there, which again got distributed to the list, and therefore back to
>the prof – so in essence, the prof’s account and the listserv were
>repeating themselves to each other……

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Interesting article

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Thu Oct 16 06:51:27 1997
>Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 09:48:37 EDT
>From: JOHN SZALAY
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>To: mahan@microwrks.com
>Subject: Interesting article
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>
>
>Yesterdays Honolulu Star-Bulletin had an interesting article posted
>on their web site. its still on-line and can be accessed from their
>achives for several days.
> It concerns the NPS “concern” over the homeporting of the BB Miissouri
>at Pearl Harbor near the Arizona Mem.
>
> http://starbulletin.com
>
>If you try to-day to access the site
>
> http://starbulletin.com/today/news/story3.html
>
>……………………………………………………………..
>
> John Szalay
> jpszalay@tacl.dnet.ge.com

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Navy mentioned in Lockerbie bombing case

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Thu Oct 16 15:45:47 1997
>Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:44:05 -0700
>From: Mike Potter
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>Subject: Navy mentioned in Lockerbie bombing case
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>Scotland offers impartial monitoring for Lockerbie trial
>_______________________________________________________________________
> Copyright © 1997 Nando.net
> Copyright © 1997 The Associated Press
>
>THE HAGUE, Netherlands (October 13, 1997 6:16 p.m. EDT) — In a new
>offer aimed at breaking a deadlock with Libya, Scotland offered Monday
>to let international monitors witness a Scottish trial of two Libyan men
>suspected in the 1988 bombing of a Pan Am Flight 103.
>
>Meanwhile, relatives of those killed aboard the plane said they would
>settle for a trial under Scottish law in a neutral country if Libya
>prefers, just to get the court process moving.
>
>Britain and the United States say the two Libyan intelligence agents
>they indicted in 1992 must stand trial in Scotland or the United States.
>But Libya refuses to extradite the men, saying a fair hearing would be
>impossible.
>
>The resulting stalemate has deeply angered the families of the 270
>people killed in the attack on the U.S.-bound flight.
>
>Scotland’s lord advocate, Lord Hardie, made the concession Monday before
>the International Court of Justice. “Justice must be seen to be done,
>and … in this case we are willing to make special arrangements,”
>Hardie said.
>
>Hardie did not give details about his proposal and did not say anything
>to imply the international monitors would have authority during the
>trial.
>
>Libya did not immediately react to Hardie’s offer. Representatives for
>the North African nation are scheduled to lay out their case Friday.
>Libya has refused to hand over Abdel Basset Megrahi and Lamen Khalifa
>Fhimah despite crippling U.N. economic sanctions imposed in 1992.
>
>Lawyers for the United States go before the court’s 16 judges on
>Tuesday. They, along with Britain, contend the court has no jurisdiction
>in the case and should not be involved.
>
>In 1992, Libya brought the case before the United Nations’ highest
>judicial body, hoping it would quash once and for all U.S. and British
>attempts to get the suspects extradited.
>
>Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi has in the past offered to allow the
>suspects to stand trial in a third, neutral country before a Scottish
>judge — a move both the United States and Britain have rejected.
>
>The leader of a group called UK Families-Flight 103 said Monday the
>failure to put the suspects on trial has prolonged the suffering of
>victims’ families.
>
>”We are enraged by the fact that it is now nine years ago,” said Dr. Jim
>Swire. “A compromise is required and we accept the compromise of a trial
>under Scottish law in a neutral country.”
>
>Swire’s daughter, Flora, was among the 259 passengers and crew members
>killed in the United Kingdom’s worst terrorist attack. Eleven other
>people died on the ground when the wreckage rained down on Lockerbie.
>
>”This was murder. It’s very difficult for me and my children to see that
>there has been no resolution,” said Stephanie Bernstein of Bethesda,
>Md., a mother of two whose husband — former U.S. Justice Department
>attorney Michael Bernstein — was killed.
>
>”It’s terribly difficult as a family member to see that people are not
>doing what needs to be done, which is to hand over the suspects in the
>crime.”
>
>The FBI, which has the two suspects on its most-wanted list and has
>offered a $4 million reward for information leading to their capture,
>pledged to have them brought to justice.
>
>Libya denies that the suspects were its agents and says they had no role
>in the bombing. It contends that by investigating the case it has
>fulfilled its obligations under the 1971 Montreal Convention on unlawful
>acts against aircraft.
>
>It has asked the court to find the United States and Britain in
>violation of that same treaty for refusing to cooperate with Libyan
>authorities.
>
>Gadhafi has said he will give up the men only if the United States turns
>over the U.S. pilots who carried out a 1986 air raid that Libya says
>killed 37 people, including Gadhafi’s adopted daughter.
>
>Swire sat impassively in the World Court’s wood-paneled chamber Monday,
>hoping for progress toward justice.
>
>”We want to know who murdered those we loved,” he said. “My daughter was
>23. I would like to be walking the moors of the Isle Of Skye where she
>and I spent our holidays, not tramping the streets of The Hague.”
>
>-= END OF MESSAGE =-

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Russian naval history website (fwd)

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Fri Oct 17 12:18:52 1997
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>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:16:28 -0500 (CDT)
>From: “Louis R. Coatney”
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>Subject: Russian naval history website (fwd)
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>
>——————
>Hello,
>Greetings from Finland.
>Here’s an interesting link for Russian naval history. Give
>it a look it’s rather impressive:
>
>http://www.neva.ru/EXPO96/book/book-cont.html
>
>Warmest regards,
>G. Frilund, Finland
>E-Mail: napoleon@nettilinja.fi
>Napoleonix website:
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/4859/
>
>Soho? ?? 🙂

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Mahan list member honored

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Oct 20 09:14:00 1997
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:12:37 -0700
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>
>Ian Buxton is a Mahan list member, too.
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>From: “Jack L. Schmidt”
>Subject: Honors
>To: MARHST-L@post.queensu.ca
>Content-Type: text
>
>Hello-
>I had the pleasure of watching our own Dr. Ian Buxton being awarded the first
>place prize for his students’ entry into the Society of Naval Architects and
>Marine Engineers’ annual student ship design competition at the annual
>meeting here in Ottawa. This is a very prestigous competition and marks the
>second time he has won against strong competition from many parts of the US
>and the world. It is a tribute to him and his students and once again
>illustrates the professionalism and credentials of the many contributers to
>marhst.
>
> Thank you, Jack L. Schmidt

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Shoho at hypothetical Midway

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Oct 20 08:08:42 1997
>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 17:04 MET DST
>To: wwii-l@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu, mahan@microwrks.com
>Subject: Shoho at hypothetical Midway
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>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
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>
>Anybody here who knows what task the light flattop Shoho would have had at
>Midway had she not been sunk at the Battle of the Coral Sea?
>
>Tim
>
>Tim Lanzendörfer | “Lebt der Herr Reichskanzler noch?
>Amateur Naval Historian | Und wenn ja, was gedenkt er dagegen
>Email: BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de | zu tun?” – Private letter, 1905
>
> The United States Navy in the Pacific War 1941 – 1945
> http://www.microworks.net/pacific/index.htm
> The ships, the men, the battles

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US Merchant Marine Losses in WW II … source?

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Oct 20 21:02:34 1997
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>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:01:48 -0500 (CDT)
>From: “Louis R. Coatney”
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>Subject: Re: US Merchant Marine Losses in WW II … source?
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>
>Yes. In the Jul/Aug 96 NAVAL WARGAMING REVIEW there is a book
> review of Robert M. Browning, Jr.’s book, U.S. MERCHANT VESSEL
> WAR CASUALTIES OF WORLD WAR II. From the *brief* review, it looks
> like there is a data appendix.
>
>Does anyone have a copy of this book in your library, to describe
> it more fully?
>
>Lou Coatney, mslrc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
> www.wiu.edu/users/mslrc/ (free U.S. DE cardstock model warship plan)

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US Merchant Marine Losses in WW II … source?

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Wed Oct 22 18:28:33 1997
>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:27:08 -0400 (EDT)
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>Subject: Re: US Merchant Marine Losses in WW II … source?
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>Lou,
>
>We have US MERCHANT VESSEL WAR CASUALTIES OF WORLD WAR II by Robert M.
>Browning, Jr. in the Navy Department Library. It has 534 pages of entries.
> The entry for each ship gives date of attack; time of attack; ship’s
>position when attacked; owner of vessel; master; armament; year built;
>vessel’s gross tonnage; draft when attacked; cargo when attacked; propulsion;
>speed in knots when attacked; and about a paragraph-length description of the
>ship’s voyage and circumstances of the attack. Each entry also has a source
>note. Losses are listed in chronological order, but there is an index of
>ship names. The appendix is a list of “poorly documented U.S. merchant
>vessel losses.”
>
>Mark Hayes
>Naval Historical Center

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Nimitz CincPac/CNO Speech – Surprise…

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Oct 21 04:44:10 1997
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 13:25 MET DST
>To: mahan@microwrks.com
>Subject: Nimitz CincPac/CNO Speech – Surprise…
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>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
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>
>As I promised a month or so ago, this contains >the speech Admiral Chester Nimitz
>gave when made CNO. The same words were spoken by him when he took office as
>CinCPac.
>
>FOLLOWING STATEMENT MADE BY FLEET ADMIRAL NIMITZ >ON 15 DECEMBER 1945 IN THE NAVY
>DEPARTEMENT, WASHINGTON, D.C. WHEN TAKING OVER >THE ASSIGNMENT AS CHIEF OF NAVAL
>OPERATIONS:
>
>I have just taken on a great responsibility.
>
>I will do my utmost to meet it.
>
>
>…and the folks from the Admiral Nimitz Museum >actually paid two dollars to get
>this to me via snail mail…
>
>Tim Lanzendörfer | “Lebt der Herr Reichskanzler noch?
>Amateur Naval Historian | Und wenn ja, was gedenkt er dagegen
>Email: BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de | zu tun?” – Private letter, 1905
>
> The United States Navy in the Pacific War 1941 – 1945
> http://www.microworks.net/pacific/index.htm
> The ships, the men, the battles

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