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Concrete ships in WWI

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Fri Oct 31 20:26:20 1997
>Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 22:27:03 -0600
>From: Brooks A Rowlett
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>US built Cncrete ships in WWI: This topic, which comes up every once in
>a while, is covered in an article in the currently-on-stands issue of
>the (US) magazine SEA CLASSICS. December 1997, Vol 30 #12.
>
>SEA CLASSICS was not a very good magazine in the 1980’s, but I beleive
>it has had a rennaissance in the last few years. It is still ‘popular’
>rather than scholarly, but it is interesting and entertaining again.
>
>See
>http://www.challpubs.com/
>for ordering information, if not in a nearby store.
>
>There is also an article about the disappearance of the US Navy Collier
>CYCOPS during WWI. Other article cover WWII material, including visit
>of King George VI and Queen to US on liner EMPRESS OF AUSTRALIA with
>gold being transferred to US before WWII began; USS PGM-17 in WWII, and
>Americans who were involved 9sometimes as bystanders) in the hunt for
>the BISMARCK.

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KORMORAN v. SYDNEY – part 1

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Sep 01 15:33:25 1997
>Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 18:32:32 EST
>From: EDWARD WITTENBERG
>To: MARHST-L@POST.QUEENSU.CA, MAHAN@MICROWRKS.COM,
> WWII-L@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
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>
>TO ALL:
>
> I’ve been sitting around enjoying the Labor Day holiday without
>much to do. I was reading Detmers’ _The Raider Kormoran_ when I
>remembered that a few weeks ago a post concerning her had crossed my
>screen. I think that it was on either MARHST or MAHAN, but I’m not sure.
>Regardless, I decided that instead of sitting around watching mind-numbing
>programs on the TV, I would devote myself to something more constructive.
>Therefore, I have transcribed the chapter in Detmers’ work describing the
>engagement with the H.M.A.S. Sydney. Detmers’ work was originally
>published in 1959, so I would like to ask our Australian members if there
>have been any efforts to locate the final resting place of the Sydney? As
>I recall, there was mention of some type of ongoing research in the posts
>that I saw. Thanks.
>
>Edward Wittenberg
>wew@papa.uncp.edu
>
>
> The raider Kormoran (ex-Steiermark) was commanded by Lieutenant-Commander
> Theodor Detmers. The largest of the German raiders, the Kormoran weighed
> in at 8,736 tons. Her overall length was 515 feet, she had a beam of 66
> feet, and a draft of 30 feet. She had a maximum speed of 18 knots. She
> was armed with six 5.9-inch guns, two twin 37mm, five 20mm cannon, four
> twin 21-inch torpedo tubes (mounted above the waterline), two single
> 21-inch torpedo tubes (mounted below the waterline), 420 mines, and one
> mine-laying motor launch, in addition to two Arado 196 scouting aircraft.
> Her complement was 397, although this varied considerably due to prize
> crews and new drafts. Operating in the South Atlantic, Indian Ocean, and
> the South Pacific, Kormoran sank eleven ships (Antonis, British Union,
> Afric Star, Eurylochus, Agnita Canadolite, Craftsman, Nicolaos D.L.
> Velebit, Mareeba, and Stamatios G. Embiricos) for a total of 68,274 tons.
> She stayed at sea from 12-3-40 to 11-19-41 (352 days). Her cruise ended
> when she encountered the Australian light cruiser Sydney. Lured into
> range of Kormoran’s guns, the Sydney was lost with no survivors. However,
> she did enough damage to the Kormoran to ensure that the raider could not
> stay afloat. Eventually, Detmers and approximately 320 of his crew were
> rescued and spent the remainder of the war in Australian prison-of-war
> camps.
>
>(Source: German Raiders of World War II by August Karl Muggenthaler.
>Published by Prentice-Hall, Inc. Englewood Cliffs N.J., 1977).
>
>
>The following excerpt is taken from _The Raider Kormoran_ by Theodor
>Detmers (London: Tandem Publishing Ltd, 1975. Edward Fitzgerald, trans).
>
>
>H.M.A.S. Sydney
>
>
> It was November 19, 1941, a beautiful day with warm sunshine. As
> so often in the Indian Ocean the visibility was perfect. The wind was
> south-south-east, and had dropped to between Force 3 and 4. The sea
> had dropped too, and more or less the only movement was a medium
> swell from the south-west. The Kormoran was proceeding at medium
> speed on her usual sweep and gradually approaching Shark’s Bay from
> the south-west.
>
> At 15.00 hours I checked the ship’s course and decided to carry
> on without change until 20.00 hours, and then turn eastwards towards
> Shark’s Bay. After the usual look round in all directions I went into
> the mess for some coffee.
>
> At 15.55 hours the alarm bells began to ring, and a moment or two
> later an orderly arrived to tell me that a ship had been sighted ahead,
> probably a sailing vessel.
>
> When I got to the bridge I saw a small light spot almost dead ahead.
> The look-out in the foretop was revising his signals all the time,
> because in the shimmering light at the limit of visibility the contours
> changed continually. Before long we could see two sailing ships, then
> a number of vessels, and behind them two clouds of smoke which probably
> came from an escort. I didn’t much care for the outlook, so I turned
> away to port at 260 degrees and ordered full speed ahead. Then I went
> on the signal deck and looked through the sighting telescope of the
> gunnery control point. At first the air was quivering so in the heat t
> hat it was difficult to see anything clearly, but then a typical
> cruiser shape began to come clear. It was one of the three Australian
> cruisers of the ‘Perth’ class, the fellows I had seen in Sydney Harbour
> when the cruiser Koln visited there in 1933. It was exactly 16.00
> hours now.
>
> At that time the Australian Navy consisted of two heavy cruisers,
> the Australia and Canberra, three light cruisers, the Sydney, the Perth,
> and the Hobart, and an older and smaller cruiser, the Adelaide. In
> addition there were the usual destroyer flotillas and a variety of
> smaller craft. The two heavy cruisers were of the ‘Berwick’ class like
> the Cornwall, of 10,000 tons displacement and armed with eight 8-inch
> guns as their main armament. The light cruisers were of about 7,000
> tons displacement and were armed with eight 6-inch guns as their main
> armament. The Adelaide had a displacement of 5,100 tons and her speed
> was 25 1/2 knots compared with the 32 1/2 of the other three light
> cruisers. In addition to their 6-inch guns the cruisers of the ‘Perth’
> class had eight 4-inch anti-aircraft guns, four 2-inch anti-aircraft
> guns, twelve heavy machine guns, eight torpedo tube and two
> reconnaissance planes. One of these fellows was coming up now.
>
> Evasion was out of the question. There were three hours until
> dusk at 19.00 hours, but the cruiser coming up could move at 32 1/2
> knots compared with our best speed of 18 knots, which we were unable
> to do anymore on account of the barnacles and so on clinging to our
> bottom and sides. About the best we could manage was 16 1/2 knots,
> approximately half of the enemy’s speed. And even if, against all
> likelihood, I managed to hold he at arm’s length until dusk that
> wouldn’t help me much either because the nights in these parts were
> light, with good visibility, which meant that now he had sighted me he
> would not loose me again so easily. No, the only thing to do was to
> keep my course and wait and see what happened; remaining alert all
> the time to take advantage of any mistakes he might make and see to it
> at least that I had a favourable opening position.
>
> My one aim was thus to gain time; time in which the enemy
> cruiser would come closer, if possible to within six or eight thousand
> yards or so, so that when the shooting started he would not be able
> to outrange me or to withdraw to ten thousand yards and more. If I
> could get him near enough my battery of six 15 cm. guns would not be
> so very inferior to his eight 6-inch, because the advantage of modern
> fire- control, which he possessed, would not mean so much at short
> distances; and for all their simple, even rudimentary fire-direction
> and control, my guns would be capable of shooting it out even with
> his modern double turrets.
>
> Of course, this didn’t take into consideration the fact the we
> were, after all, only a refitted passenger ship with thin hull plates
> – and that we had 420 mines on board, which we certainly couldn’t get
> rid of now in sight of the enemy.
>
> We increased speed now and I dropped my foretop lookout and
> lowered the crow’s nest in order not to awaken suspicion. I also
> turned to 250 degrees and took up the most favourable shooting position
> available to me. I paid no further heed to the position of the sun,
> because the smoke sent up by the simultaneous performance of all our
> engines was so visible that the enemy must have seen us, even if his
> crow’s nest were not manned. We now waited for the first sign that he
> had, in fact, sighted us.
>
> Then at 16.05 came a report to me on the bridge that motor
> No. 4 was out of action. Our top speed was about fourteen knots and
> this I now sailed. The cruiser then turned towards us blinking
> ‘N.N.J.’. My Chief Signalman looked at me and shrugged his shoulders.
> Neither of us knew what this odd group of letters was supposed to mean,
> or how we were expected to answer it. As the cruiser was not far away
> now I did nothing; let him do something – something wrong, I hope.
> For a while he continued to morse ‘N.N.J.’, and then suddenly he
> demanded ‘What ship?’
>
> This cheered up my Chief Signalman and his colleagues no end. At
> last the big fellow had asked something sensible, and he now hurried
> to me to know whether he should reply with our searchlight or top lamp.
> My reply astonished him for a moment.
>
> ‘Neither,’ I said. ‘Answer slowly and awkwardly like a real
> merchant-navy greenhorn – and with flag wagging. In the meantime
> they’ll come even closer.’
>
> Morse signals would have speeded up the proceedings too much
> for me. I knew I had to fight him and I wanted him as close as
> possible to nullify all or most of his advantages; to gain time for
> ourselves and not to give him too much time to ask awkward questions.
> After what must have been an irritating pause I had the signal code
> pennant half hoisted, which meant: ‘I can see your signal, but I
> can’t make out what it is.’ The cruiser came gradually closer. Her
> silhouette was very narrow. She was about three points to starboard
> now, but still at a distance of about 15,000 yards and travelling at
> about twenty knots an hour. Strong smoke development suggested that
> she was stoking up all of her furnaces.
>
> After allowing a suitable time to elapse we informed her that we
> had now understood; and then, without any hurry, I hoisted the
> recognition signal of the Straat Malakka. My Chief Signalman Ahlbach
> had caught on now: he realized that I was playing for time for all
> I was worth; and in this he aided and abetted me manfully. Of the
> four flags only three appeared at first, and when the four flags finally
> appeared they were hopelessly twisted. With that the signal was lowered
> to allow the flags to be cleared before they were hoisted again. How
> well Ahlbach did his job was confirmed by the fact that the cruiser had
> to signal twice to get us to clear our signal so that he could read it.
> They were quite unsuspicious, it appeared, and they seemed to be showing
> understanding and consideration for an awkward fellow not much good
> at signalling.
>
> Now he knew who we were supposed to be: a Dutchman, the Straat
> Malakka. But would he believe it? I knew that the real Straat Malakka
> was about our size and shape, and it was certainly quite possible to
> take us for her. And we also knew that she was somewhere around in
> the Indian Ocean; but where exactly was another matter. It was to be
> hoped that this fellow didn’t know either. By bad luck he might had left
> the Straat Malakka behind in port. Or he might inquire by wireless; but
> at least he wasn’t doing that, for my W/T room reported that the enemy
> was maintaining wireless silence.
>
> The cruiser now morsed the he had understood us at last and
> asked us where we were bound for. Trusting to luck I replied ‘Batavia’.
> This was quite reasonable, the fact that we were steering 250 degrees
> could readily be interpreted as a normal evasive action on sighting the
> cruiser. But what I didn’t understand was why he didn’t signal me to
> heave to. That would have been very disagreeable, because a ship
> losing way would have been swung around in the swell and we should have
> shown our broadside to the enemy approaching us in line. I took it
> that the British usually did not stop ships at sea unless there was
> something suspicious about them – for they certainly had sufficient
> experience in stopping and searching ships. Which could only mean that
> they found nothing suspicious about us. Splendid!
>
> At 16.35 hours a message arrived on the bridge to the effect that
> No. 4 motor had been temporarily patched up and could run again minus
> one cylinder. The lads had worked like Trojans to achieve that. But I
> kept the same speed of fourteen knots now in order not to awaken
> suspicions in the mind of my trustful enemy by any chance. Further,
> the speed of fourteen knots was more appropriate to my disguise as the
> Dutchman. A little after that my Chief, Lieutenant Scheer, came on to
> the bridge to explain just what had happened to motor No. 4, and I
> showed him the cruiser. After a word or two he went back to his battle
> station, and that was the last I saw of him.
>
> The enemy cruiser was between eight and nine thousand yards off
> now, and still coming closer. Up to know we had ranged him with our
> 3 m. apparatus, but even with every precaution I thought it dangerous
> to let our range-finding apparatus to be seen above the camouflage, so
> we withdrew it and used our much less noticeable 0.75 m. anti-aircraft
> apparatus instead. This apparatus was portable and could be used from
> the bridge without attracting attention. The enemy cruiser was now
> coming within the range that I considered suitable for my guns, and she
> was already so close that through our glasses we could see every detail
> clearly. In particular we could see that her four double turrets with
> their six-inch guns and also the port torpedo-tube battery were all
> directed at us. As far as I could make out her eight 4-inch anti-
> aircraft guns were not manned. So much the better. We knew that
> generally speaking the British did not man their anti-aircraft guns
> when there was no air alert. If they had done so now it would have
> increased the enemy cruiser’s artillery superiority.

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KORMORAN v. SYDNEY – part 2

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Mon Sep 01 15:34:21 1997
>Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 18:33:13 EST
>From: EDWARD WITTENBERG
>To: MARHST-L@POST.QUEENSU.CA, MAHAN@MICROWRKS.COM,
> WWII-L@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
>CC: wew@papa.uncp.edu
>Subject: KORMORAN v. SYDNEY – part 2
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>
>The following excerpt is taken from _The Raider Kormoran_ by Theodor
>Detmers (London: Tandem Publishing Ltd, 1975. Edward Fitzgerald, trans).
>
>Edward Wittenberg
>wew@papa.uncp.edu
>
>
> There was no sign of any diminution of speed on the enemy’s
> part, and she came up steadily with an unchanging bow wave, still
> showing us the narrowest possible silhouette. She was still obviously
> still curious about us, and now she wanted to know what cargo we were
> carrying. I replied vaguely ‘piece-goods’. They could make what they
> liked of that. My signalman were working away slowly and inefficiently,
> and it was terribly difficult for us to make ourselves understood. I
> now hoisted the Dutch flag and to make the confusion still worse I
> began to use my wireless, sending out the ‘Q’ signal: ‘QQQ Straat
> Malakka’, and informing the world that we were being challenged by an
> unknown cruiser. Perth wireless station picked up my signals,
> acknowledged receipt, and gave the ‘understood’ sign, telling me to
> keep in touch.
>
> My men had been at action stations for over an hour now and it
> seemed a long time to wait, particularly as they could see and hear
> nothing; and as I expected action to be opened at any moment I now
> spoke to all stations over the intercom informing them that we were
> about to go into action with a small cruiser which we should be well
> able to dispose of. An answering cheer told me that everything was in
> order.
>
> I could now see that the enemy cruiser now had a plane on the
> catapult. The engine was probably warming up. At any moment it would
> be catapulted into the air; and once the observer spotted us from above
> he would recognize us at once for what we were, an auxiliary cruiser.
> Or at the very least he would wireless back that we looked highly
> suspicious. It might be possible to conceal the range-finding crew with
> their apparatus before the plane arrived, but the camouflage of the
> guns in Hatches 2 and 4 was not so perfect that it could stand such
> close scrutiny. The plane was almost certain to start; the wind and
> weather conditions simply called for it.
>
> But at least the enemy was only something over three thousand
> yards away now, a beautiful shooting range. Would she slow down?
> Would she order us to heave to? Would she turn her broadside on us?
> And what should I do? Had the time come to de-camouflage and run up
> the war flag? Was the enemy in the best possible position for me to
> open fire? No, not yet, I decided because three thousand yards was
> about the extreme effective range of my anti-aircraft guns; and I
> wanted every gun I had to bear at its maximum effectiveness in order
> to give me the biggest possible chance. So let her come a bit closer
> still. The closer she came the better it would be for us. I therefore
> continued to leave the initiative to the enemy.
>
> For some time now we had been expecting a signal that would call
> our bluff, but so far nothing had come beyond almost casual queries
> which we had almost no difficulty in answering with some show of
> reason. The enemy now changed course to a point or two starboard so
> that the cruisers silhouette became a little broader, which was also
> to the good. But at the same time she morsed: ‘Give your secret call!’
> We had been expecting some such signal for about an hour. There it was
> at last. The denouement was very close now, because, of course, we
> did not know the secret call sign of the Straat Malakka.
>
> But for the moment I was still interested in stringing the enemy
> along, because every passing minute was improving my position. ‘Slowly!
> Slowly!’ I called to Ahlbach, who was still deliberately fumbling with
> the signal flags, and dragging out matters as long as possible. The
> cruiser now repeated her morse signal: ‘Give your secret call!’ So much
> time had now been gained that she was broadside on a sailing a course
> parallel to that of the Kormoran at a reduced speed. The range was only
> about a thousand yards now and we could see the cruiser’s pantrymen in
> their white coats lining the rails to have a look at the supposed
> Dutchman. It was the sort of happy picture you see on a sunny day in
> peacetime when two ships meet at sea. But it was a peaceful picture
> soon to be shattered.
>
> In reply to the cruiser’s signal demanding that I should give my
> secret call I could still have done what I would certainly have done had
> she asked me earlier on. I could pretend to be mistrustful, and instead
> of replying I could have asked the cruiser her name. Had I done so I
> am quite certain that I would have gained further time, because that
> was just the suspicious sort of attitude a cautious Dutch sea captain
> might have been expected to adopt in such circumstances. He would
> have wanted to be quite certain before revealing his secret call sign.
>
> But the situation was different now. I needed no more time. My
> eyes were glued to the bearings compass, and as soon as I saw that the
> enemy had come practically to a standstill I gave the order ‘De-
> camouflage!’ The time was exactly 17.30 hours. The Dutch flag was
> hauled down, and the German naval war flag ran up and fluttered
> proudly in the breeze from our foretop.
>
> As soon as my Chief Signalman reported ‘War flag flying’ I gave
> the order to open fire to my gunners and torpedo batteries. From the
> moment the order to de-camouflage was given the miracle speed and
> efficiency which my men had been preparing for and practising for
> months took place. The ship’s rails folded down, the heavy camouflage
> covers fore and aft were whisked away, Hatches 2 and 4 opened up to
> reveal their guns, the 2 cm. anti-aircraft guns were raised, the
> torpedo flaps opened, and all barrels and torpedo tubes swung on to
> the target. Within six seconds of the order to de-camouflage the first
> shot was fired from our leading gun. Four seconds later the other three
> went into action, scoring direct hits on the enemy’s bridge and in his
> artillery control post.
>
> Immediately after the enemy opened fire too, with a full salvo. But
> it roared away harmlessly over us, probably over our stern. Then we
> fired eight salvoes, with six seconds between each salvo, without any
> answering fire at all from the enemy. Obviously his artillery control
> centre had been put out of action by our very first salvo. At that
> short range every shell we fired was a direct hit. At the same time our
> anti-aircraft guns peppered the enemy’s upper deck and his torpedo
> batteries, and our army 3.7 anti-aircraft guns pumped shells into his
> bridge.
>
> Our own torpedoes were now discharged at the enemy, and to do
> this I had to turn to 260 degrees, which I did with very little helm
> movement in order not to disturb the our gunners. One of the first two
> torpedoes passed across the cruiser’s bows, but the other hit her abaft
> Turret A. An enormous column of water shot into the air and her stern
> dipped into the water up to the flag staff. Both fore turrets seemed to
> be out of action, for we didn’t get another shot from them. After we
> had fired eight salvoes, Turrets C and D began to fire independently.
> Turret D fired two or three salvoes, but they went wide. After that it
> ceased firing altogether. But Turret C continued to fire, and with some
> considerable accuracy. The first salvo was too high, and it ripped
> through our funnel at about bridge height, but its next hit us
> amidships and set our engine-room on fire.
>
> Our own guns were continuing to fire rapidly and steadily and
> doing the enemy a tremendous amount of damage. A motor-cutter was
> hanging helplessly halfway over the side, the heavy turret deck of
> Turret B had been lifted out of its implacement and hurled overboard.
> The plane which had been on the catapult had been blown into the sea,
> and flames were shooting up everywhere. Not a man could show his face
> on the upper deck, because the fire from our 2 cm. anti-aircraft guns
> and our heavy machine-guns was so intense, whilst our 3.7 anti-aircraft
> guns continued to pump shells into the bridge structure. Not a torpedo
> was fired at us. In all probability the hail of shells from our anti-
> aircraft weapons was so intense that no one could release the safety
> catch on the tubes.
>
> The enemy cruiser now turned towards us and passed behind our
> stern. It almost looked as if she was trying to ram us, but for that
> she was already too far down by the stern, and she no longer had any
> speed. I thought perhaps she was turning in order to bring her
> starboard torpedo tubes into action after having released the safety
> catches of the tubes under cover of her lee. But no torpedoes were
> discharged, and our anti-aircraft guns now swept her starboard side
> devastatingly.
>
> As the battered cruiser came behind our stern she enjoyed a
> short respite, because on account of our midships structure our forward
> guns were temporarily unsighted, so that for a while we had only two
> guns in action. I kept to my course in order to show the narrowest
> possible silhouette to any torpedo attack, but none came. A lot of smoke
> was now drifting away to stern out of starboard from the fire in our
> engine-room. In consequence my gunnery officer at our artillery control
> point could no longer see a thing, and handed over to the anti-aircraft
> gunnery officer who was aft on the poop. He continued to direct the
> fire of our stern guns, but he was getting no counter-fire at all now,
> and all the enemy’s turrets seemed out of action, and their gun barrels
> were pointing helplessly away. The enemy’s anti-aircraft guns had not
> been manned at all during the engagement, and they were still silent.
>
> The crews of our guns 1, 3 and 4 used this enforced pause in
> their operations to cool down their barrels with fire hoses, because the
> rapid firing had made them so hot that they could hardly be used any
> longer. But it was only a short pause and then all four guns were in
> action again; that is to say, guns No. 2, 3, 4 and 6. Guns No. 1 and 5
> were now in our firing lee and unable to take part in the further
> action. My gunnery officer took over again.
>
> At about 18.00 hours I wanted to turn to port to run parallel with
> the enemy and finally destroy her, and the helm was already in position
> when the sailor at the engine-room telegraph reported that the
> revolutions of both machines was falling away rapidly and the contact
> with the engine-room had been broken. At that moment I saw the wake
> of four torpedoes the enemy had discharged at us, but to my relief it
> was clear that at our present speed and on our present course they
> were going to pass harmlessly astern. I therefore made no change in my
> course and they disappeared behind us at a distance of between one
> hundred and two hundred yards.
>
> Immediately after they had passed the whole ship shuddered from
> stem to stern owing to the failure of our engines. Shortly before this
> I had given instructions to be passed to my Chief leaving it to his
> discretion to abandon his control stand – which was cut off from the
> engine-room by glass – if the heat he was complaining of increased
> intolerably. The orderly now returned and reported that he could get no
> answer from anyone. The engine-room itself was out of action. He was
> instructed to see if at least one of the engines could be got going
> again.
>
> In the meantime, our guns were keeping up their devastating fire,
> and the enemy was receiving one direct hit after the other. From the
> fore bridge to the stern mast the cruiser was now a mass of flame and
> she was moving forward only very slowly. We were unable to move at
> all, so we sent a torpedo after her at about 8,000 yards, but it passed
> harmlessly behind her stern.
>
> At 18.25 hours I gave the order to cease-fire. By this time the
> enemy cruiser was over ten thousand yards distant; drifting rather than
> sailing, and little more than a flaming hulk. It was growing dark
> rapidly now, and she gradually faded into the darkness, apparently
> making for Perth. Up until 21.00 hours we could see the glow, and then
> we saw the flames suddenly dart up even higher as though from an
> explosion, and after that the battered hulk of our enemy disappeared
> into the night.
>
> My aim now was to lower and launch as many of our boats as
> were still serviceable, and now that the engagement was over I wanted
> to see whether or not it was possible to keep my ship afloat or not.
> Amidships the Kormoran was well alight, and I hurried through the
> corridor on the port side and saw that the cabins there were burning. I
> opened the midships door into the engine-room, but billows of thick
> smoke rolled out, and darting flames shot up. With some difficulty, I
> got the door closed again, and then I hurried aft where I met the
> technical personnel, who informed me that the fire-fighting equipment
> in the engine-room had apparently been destroyed and that the whole
> starboard foam equipment was also out of action. An attempt to get
> into action from the screw machine chamber, which was quite undamaged,
> failed. There was no pressure in the damaged pipes.
>
> In this hopeless situation it was obviously impossible to get the
> engine-room running again even in part, so we concentrated our efforts
> on trying to rescue our comrades who were shut in there, but
> unfortunately everything we tried failed, and we were beaten back by
> smoke, flames and heat wherever we attempted to force a way through.
>
>Detmers and his crew abandoned the ship at 23.00 hours after stripping
>her of any supplies which could prove to be useful and setting explosive
>charges near her oil bunkers. Shortly afterwards, Kormoran disappeared
>beneath the waves forever. Detmers’ boat, containing some sixty-two men,
>was picked up by the steamer Centaur on the twenty-sixth. Centaur’s captain
>would not allow the able-bodied survivors on board, for fear of their
>overpowering the crew and seizing the ship. He did, however, undertake to
>tow Detmers and his party into port while supplying them with food and
>water. Detmers and 320 of his crew would eventually be rescued, but of the
>Sydney and her 644-man crew no trace was ever found. Kormoran’s officers
>were eventually housed at Dhurringile prisoner-of-war camp, while the
>remainder of the crew were housed at Graytown. Detmers and his crew
>remained in internment for two years after the end of the war, but were
>repatriated to Germany in February 1947.

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Thai CV: Reuter article

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Tue Sep 02 16:00:25 1997
>Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 15:58:19 -0700
>From: Mike Potter
>Reply-To: mike.potter@artecon.com
>Organization: Artecon, Inc.
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I)
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>Subject: Thai CV: Reuter article
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>
>Quoted verbatim including headline . . .
>
>Thailand Purchases Aircraft Carrier
>———————————–
>
>SATTAHIP, Thailand, Aug 10 (Reuter) – Thailand took delivery of
>Southeast Asia’s first aircraft carrier on Sunday, heralding its arrival
>with a military flypast and a vertical take-off by a Sea Harrier jump
>jet.
>
>Thai Prime Minister Chavalit Yongchaiyudh officiated at the
>commissioning ceremony before opening the vessel, Spanish-built HTMS
>Chakri Naruebet, to the public.
>
>The carrier is capable of carrying nine British-made Sea Harrier jets
>and six Sikorsky Seahawk helicopters. It cost the government 7.1 billion
>baht (US$230 million).
>
>–

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WWII History

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Thu Sep 04 09:23:55 1997
>X-Sender: tcrobi@pophost.fw.hac.com
>Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:21:33 -0500
>To: AEROSP-L@SIVM.SI.EDU, aircraft@idsi.net, mahan@microwrks.com
>From: Tom Robison
>Subject: WWII History
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>
> UNIVERSITY HISTORIAN SEEKS WORLD WAR II MEMORABILIA — Florida State
> University in Tallahassee has established the Institute on World War
> II and the Human Experience, and is seeking donations of privately
> owned memorabilia to preserve the legacy of the aging World War II
> generation. The institute, directed by Prof. William Oldson of the FSU
> History Department, is concerned with the loss of irreplaceable
> materials related to the Second World War. “We are interested in
> personal papers, letters, photos, and other memorabilia,” Oldson said.
> He’s appealing directly to veteran, defense workers and their families
> to help collect, preserve and display artifacts and memorabilia of
> that time.
>
> Anyone interested in helping out, donating materials, or learning more
> about the project may contact Oldson in care of the FSU History
> Department, Tallahassee, FL 32306-2029. Oldson can also be reached by
> phone at (850) 644-9541, by fax at (805) 644-6402, by e-mail at
> woldson@garnet.acns.fsu.edu, or via the institute’s home page at
> http://www.fsu.edu/~ww2 on the World Wide Web. (FSU)
>
>
>Tom Robison
>tcrobi@most.fw.hac.com
>Hughes Defense Communications, Fort Wayne, IN

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Interesting letter

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Thu Sep 04 09:49:29 1997
>X-Sender: dave@microworks.net
>X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32)
>Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 09:49:33 -0700
>To: mahan@microworks.net
>From: Dave Riddle
>Subject: Interesting letter
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>
>After reading Tom Robison’s note this morning about the FSU WWII history
>project and how this collection will focus on the “human experience” I
>thought the list might find this letter interesting.
>
>
>
>This letter was written to my Grandfathers mother by my Grandmother on
>December 13, 1941 while she was 8 months pregnant with my father (Bill
>Riddle, an active poster on this list). When the Japanese attacked Pearl my
>Grandfather was to sea and she relates how her oldest son (then three years
>old) was hit in the leg by a bullet from a Japanese war plane!
>
>Does anyone on the list know if this makes him the youngest casulty that
>morning.
>
>The graphic mentioned above is a high res scan so it is very readable.
>
>Dave Riddle
>
>
>|——————————————————-|
>| David W. Riddle | http://www.microworks.net |
>| (O) 602-813-4569 | http://www.openlines.com |
>| (F) 602-813-4659 | |
>| | An interesting company legal |
>| 1958 TR-3A TS34575L | history website! |
>| vintage racer | http://www.splashpools.com |
>
>|——————————————————-|

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Posting from the Mahan list

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Thu Sep 04 12:12:07 1997
>X-Sender: woldson@garnet.acns.fsu.edu
>X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32)
>Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 15:20:12 -0400
>To: Dave Riddle
>From: William Oldson
>Subject: Re: Posting from the Mahan list
>
>Dave:
>
> THANKS!
>
> A great letter–I print it off to keep in my files.
>
> PLEASE, protect that letter–it’s a treasure which should > have permanent
>provision made for its safety.
>
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Bill Oldson
>
>
>
>
>
>At 09:42 AM 9/4/1997 -0700, you wrote:
> >I run the Mahan list serve and a posting came across it today about your
> >project. I thought I would send you this .jpg file to see if you would be
> >interested in including a copy (can not give you the original it is a
> >family treasure) in your archive.
> >The letter was from my Grandmother who was at Pearl Harbor while my
> >grandfather was at sea when the Japanese attacked. She was 8 months
> >pregnant with my father at the time and his older brother was three years
> >old. As you can read in the note from her to my grandfathers mother she
> >describes her young son being shot in the leg from a Japanese war plane
> >while he was in his bed.
> >I do not think the family has checked but I would bet he was probably the
> >youngest casualty at Pearl Harbor that morning.
> >
> >If the file does not come through you can find it at:
> >
> >
> >Dave Riddle
> >
> >Attachment Converted: “c:\MyFiles\E-mail\Dec1341.JPG”
> >
> >|——————————————————-|
> >| David W. Riddle | http://www.microworks.net |
> >| (O) 602-813-4569 | http://www.openlines.com |
> >| (F) 602-813-4659 | |
> >| | An interesting company legal |
> >| 1958 TR-3A TS34575L | history website! |
> >| vintage racer | http://www.splashpools.com |
> >
> >|——————————————————-|

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WWII Order of Battle (fwd)

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Sat Sep 06 02:56:54 1997
>Date: Sat, 6 Sep 97 11:56 MET DST
>To: mahan@microwrks.com, marhst-l@post.queensu.ca, >wwii-l@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu
>Subject: WWII Order of Battle (fwd)
>X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.0
>X-Sender: 0611603955-0001@t-online.de (Silvia Lanzendoerfer)
>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>
>Dr Leo Niehorster schrieb:
> > Dear Sir,
> >
> > I am looking for the Administrative Order of
> > Battle od the USN on December 1941. Do you have anything like this. Many
> > thanks for youir time and attention.
>
>Can anybody help this man?
>
>Tim
>
>Tim Lanzendoerfer | The US Navy in
>Amateur Naval Historian | the Pacific War
>Email:BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de| 1941 – 1945
>http://www.microworks.net/pacific/pacific.htm

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Navy pages updated

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Sun Sep 07 09:50:04 1997
>Date: Sun, 7 Sep 97 18:49 MET DST
>To: harpoon@lists.stanford.edu, mahan@microwrks.com,
> marinespinner@unterland.de, wwii-l@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu,
> marhst-l@post.queensu.ca, consim-l@listserv.uni-c.dk
>Subject: Navy pages updated
>X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.0
>X-Sender: 0611603955-0001@t-online.de (Silvia Lanzendoerfer)
>From: BWV_WIESBADEN@t-online.de (Tim Lanzendoerfer)
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>
>The US Navy pages have been updated as follows:
>
> – a broken link was fixed in the “Cruisers” section. If you > press “next
>class” in the Omaha class, you will be led to the next class
> – the picture of Ulithi atoll in the opening screen of > “Ships” has been
>edited and refined
> – as has the picture of USS Quiny in the “New Orleans” screen
> – as has the picture of Essex in the “Essex” screen
> – the “Destroyers” section has received another picture, that of a
>Benson class DD. Work has stopped on the destroyers until I receive the
>references which I ordered
> – I have added a “index.htm” which allows you to enter the pages by
>typing http://www.microworks.net/pacific alone
> – I have opened two biographies in the biography section, > and added the
>pictures for many more
> – I have also opened the Aviation section with the F4F Wildcat and
>pictures for others
> – I have added the Washington Treaty text transcribed by > Larry Jewell to
>the “Specials” section
> – I have also begun work on a List of United States Naval > Vessels Lost
>in the War, to be found under the “Specials” section as well
> – Finally I have uploaded a draft of the description of the > Battle of
>the Coral Sea. It is not yet proof-read for grammatical mistakes, or causal
>errors.
>
>Thanks for your patience,
>Tim
>
>Tim Lanzendoerfer | The US Navy in
>Amateur Naval Historian | the Pacific War
>Email:BWV_Wiesbaden@t-online.de| 1941 – 1945
>http://www.microworks.net/pacific/pacific.htm

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MARHST-L Cookbook–BEER BREAD

Friday, January 2nd, 2009

From Sun Sep 07 16:44:43 1997
>X-Authentication-Warning: ecom7.ecn.bgu.edu: mslrc owned process doing -bs
>Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:44:09 -0500 (CDT)
>From: “Louis R. Coatney”
>X-Sender: mslrc@ecom7.ecn.bgu.edu
>To: marhst-l@qucdn.queensu.ca, mahan@microwrks.com
>cc: clcoatney@aol.com, “William D. Anderson” ,
> “Lee H. Tichenor” ,
> “Louis R. Coatney”
>Subject: Re: MARHST-L Cookbook–BEER BREAD
>Precendence: bulk
>Sender: mahan-owner@microworks.net
>
>
>This was given to me/us up in Juneau by Coast Guard CAPT. Ed Nelson
> who was at that time the Commander of the [Alaska … 17?] Coast
> Guard District and who later went on to Supe the USCG Academy.
>
>Beer bread:
>
> 1 can of normal (not “lite”) beer.
> 2 tablespoons of sugar … and let the kids watch the fizzzzzz 🙂
> 3 cups of SELF-RISING flour
>
>… dumped into a pre-greased/buttered breadpan … and don’t mix it
> up *too* much …
>
> … at *400* degrees — actually more like 350, I think, but we
> don’t want to lose the 1-2-3-4-5-simple beauty of the thing, do we?
>
> … for *55* minutes.
>
>Let it take its time to cool and then turn the pan over to let it drop
> … warm, moist, and fragrant … into your hand.
>
>LAVISHLY butter … with cold, hard butter.
>
>ENJOY. 🙂
>
>It’s the only way I can stand beer. Great for office parties, too.
>
>Lou
> Coatney, mslrc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
>www.wiu.edu/users/mslrc/ (free game and cardstock model ship plan)

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